 | 27 Oct 10 |
Writing the second book in any series kicks my ass.
Doesn’t matter if I’m writing mystery or romance, or whether the book is a straight up continuation of the same characters or different lead characters set in an existing world. I know enough about the characters/worlds/plots to be dangerous, but not enough to have every potentiality nailed down. Give me too many choices and I’ll wanna try ‘em all.
I faced the “second book” syndrome twice in the past year. Lucky me, huh? I finished MERCY KILL, book 2 in the Mercy Gunderson series in March, and SADDLED AND SPURRED, book 2 in the Blacktop Cowboys series in June. Two totally different books. Two totally different experiences for me as a writer. But know the one thing that hasn’t changed? Bracing myself for reader reaction to the second book in a new series, which is almost…worse than bracing myself for reader reaction to the first book in a new series.
Why? Because inevitably, the first book in a new series will be compared to the previous series. Doesn’t matter if the previous series is dead by my hand or the publisher’s. Doesn’t matter if I’m trying to do something entirely fresh within the same genre, while trying to maintain my individual voice or my brand or meeting editorial expectations. Comparisons will be made. Some favorably. Some not.
And it’s always the NOT ones that stick in my craw, know what I mean?
I ain’t gonna lie. The Julie Collins mystery series was a tough sell in the publishing world. Julie is unapologetically brash. She drinks, she swears, she smokes, she has questionable taste in men, she has serious family issues — and I have to mix all those not always appealing character traits together and make her…not necessarily lovable, but believable, a woman to root for. And then I plop her dead center in the middle of life or death situations, in South Dakota, which I’ve heard ain’t exactly a hot spot to visit — as I try to entice readers into buying a medium-boiled contemporary mystery series with a kickass female character set in no-man’s land. For book 2, HALLOWED GROUND, I stalled early on in the writing process, I cried, I sweated bullets over my complex heroine, wondering if the critics who weren’t in love with Julie the first go around would feel more comfortable with her in a second outing. But what I didn’t change? Julie. I didn’t bow to reader’s criticisms and change anything about her. I let her be who she was. Who I envisioned her to be.
Guess what? That kernel of love started to bloom after book 2. Being with a small publishing house meant my sales didn’t set the world on fire, but the buzz, award nominations/wins and general interest was enough that I was contracted for a third book. It seemed readers who were on the fence with Julie for book one took a leap of faith and followed my bow-and-arrow toting bad girl on her next adventure. And her next. And her next.
During this time, due to the business end of publishing and circumstances beyond my control, I started another mystery. Same type of tough female character, still set in South Dakota (yep, glutton for punishment, that’s me) but with a couple of funky twists that intrigued me. Those last three words are the absolute gospel in my writing world — if what I’m writing doesn’t intrigue me, how can I expect it’ll intrigue readers? What I didn’t want to happen when I started the Mercy Gunderson series? Write books exactly like the Julie Collins books — just changing the heroine’s eye color, her hair color, the name of her love interest, the sex of her best friend, her preferred brand of booze and the type of weapon she carried. The character who silently but efficiently muscled her way onto my first page was a woman the polar opposite of Julie Collins. Mercy is as cool-headed as Julie is hotheaded. Their life histories are diverse, which makes their reactions in certain situations vastly dissimilar. After I finished the book (while I was still writing the last book in the Julie series, mind you) I was thrilled. I’d achieved my goal and luckily Simon and Schuster liked what they saw in Mercy Gunderson and offered me a two-book contract.
Fast-forward two years to 2010 when I hadn’t released a mystery at all in 2009, but had just come off winning the Shamus Award for SNOW BLIND. The very first fan review I read for NO MERCY, and yes, I read fan reviews, said the book sucked. Bad. They’d give me zero stars if they could. Mercy was hard and cold and no one would ever care about her stupid life, her stupid reactions, her stupid family, her stupid issues, plus the plot wasn’t plausible. The reader lamented that I’d fallen so far from the Julie Collins series that I’d lost fans forever. Then this fan postulated that maybe if no one bought the book in this new series, I could go back to writing Julie Collins. Nice try, but no. When I finished MERCY KILL, I realized I let Mercy be who she was. I didn’t soften her, change her, or force her into a comfortable little box along side the hard-to-categorize-Miz Collins. As long as my editor was happy, and I was happy. But the negative review got me to thinking, which is always dangerous, especially when I’m pissed off, and I realized something:
The reader’s comparison was based on ONE book from the Mercy series, but on FOUR books from the Julie series. Of course readers are going to know more about Julie and her world. I’ve had time to build her. I haven’t had time to build Mercy or her world.
So I sensed a pattern when the exact same thing happened with the Lorelei James books. With the Rough Rider series, I’m writing contemporary erotic westerns set in Wyoming. But again, I didn’t want the new series to be a carbon copy of my existing series, so I mixed it up, intending to alternate setting the stories in the rodeo world with life on a Wyoming ranch, not detailing the lives and loves of a specific family, but of a group of tight-knit friends who hail from one small Wyoming town. For the first book I had the main male characters already involved — albeit separately — in an intimate relationship with the female character. No first meeting. No first kiss. No first individual sex scene. Different, right? When book 1 in the Blacktop Cowboys series, CORRALLED, came out in August, with a different publisher, I was NINE books into the Rough Riders series. NINE. The inevitable comparisons started. Not as good as the Rough Riders series. The family “connectedness” was missing…well duh. It’s the first book in the series! There is no connectedness yet!
I’ll admit I’m not immune to this “favorite series” issue as a reader, but I’ll also admit it doesn’t matter what certain authors write, I’ll read it. Period. And if I don’t like book 2 or 3…then I’ll move on. And even if I don’t enjoy the jump in genres, I’ll give them a big thumbs up for trying something different and stepping out of their comfort zone.
So tell me, MSW readers, and be honest here, do you give a new fiction series from a favorite author a fair shake — meaning more than one book? All commenters will be eligible to win a gift card from the online bookstore of their choice!
© 2010 – 2011, Lori G. Armstrong. All rights reserved.
Lori G. Armstrong left the firearms industry in 2000. Her first mystery novel, BLOOD TIES, published in 2005, was nominated in 2006 for a Shamus Award for Best First Novel by the Private Eye Writers of America. The second book in the Julie Collins mystery series, HALLOWED GROUND, released Nov. 2006, was nominated for a 2007 Shamus Award for Best Paperback Original, a Daphne du Maurier Award and won the 2007 WILLA Cather Literary Award for Best Original Softcover Fiction. SHALLOW GRAVE, released in Nov. 2007, was nominated for a 2008 High Plains Book Award, a Daphne du Maurier Award and was a finalist for the 2008 WILLA Cather Literary Award. The fourth book, SNOW BLIND, released in Oct. 2008, won the 2009 Shamus Award, from the Private Eye Writers of America, for Best Paperback Original. Lori is a proud fourth generation South Dakotan and lives in Rapid City with her family.
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If I have a author I love I will try anything that they write and if I don’t enjoy the first but I will try another in the series and see if I like it better and if I do I usually go back and try to read the other book again. Because sometimes it really depends on what kind of mood I’m in when I’m reading and there’s been plenty of times I couldn’t get into a book the first time I tried and then when I try again I love the book.
by Sherry S. October 27th, 2010 at 4:22 amExactly, Sherry, I think frame of mind has a lot to do with whether or not you like something from the start. I know if I’m looking for a distraction from a bad day, my response to fiction is always different.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:35 amLori, honestly? It depends. If I really like an author, I’ll try anything they’ve written. But just because I’ll try doesn’t mean I’ll like it. And if I don’t like the first book, I probably won’t read the second, or the third. I’ll be fair, I’ll try the first more than once. But I probably won’t buy the second book of a series — even if it’s by an author I’ve consistently read and liked before — if I don’t like the first.
Having said that, lots of authors I love have started new series in the last year. I gave them all a chance and enjoyed almost all of them!
by Barbie October 27th, 2010 at 4:55 amBarbie, that’s why I have two names, because I don’t expect readers will cross genres, because each genre has its own set of expectations. The example that comes to mind for me is Lisa Kleypas. I LOVE her contemporary romances, but I’m not a fan of historical romance, rarely read it from any author, so I haven’t tried any of her historicals, because I know I’d compare them…
Thanks for commenting — I always love to hear what you have to say
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:38 amI’m sorry for you that people make those kinds of comparisons. I know it must be hard not to do that, and I don’t really consider myself much of a reviewer (I like what I like…end of story). I really try to look at all books, even if they’re connected, as stand-alone (it is true that some in a series are better than others), but if a book is written by a fave author, I’ll definitely read it!!
by kris October 27th, 2010 at 5:29 amGawd, Kris, I hope I didn’t come off whiny, I was just trying to…explain from a different POV, because it took me a little while to figure that out for myself.
I don’t leave reviews anywhere either. Even before I was published I didn’t feel comfortable throwing my opinion out there far and wide.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:41 amnope, I didn’t get whiny at all in your blog.
by kris October 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pmEven if you change all the characters and settings authors still have the same “voice” when they write. For me it is the voice that resonates. So yes I will follow my fave authors pretty much anywhere. I also do reviews and I find it hard not to compare as I read a book with other books by the same author and as is the case with my fave authors I am usually rating them against themselves. My all time fave of yours continues to be RRR, I loved the interaction of the characters. All your other books, for me, are compared to that book which I gave a 5 star rating to. So if I didn’t love the newest book, of whichever series, as much as RRR then I have to give it less stars…No? I think in that context reviewing is very personal and in some cases misleading for the people reading the review.
by Rory G October 27th, 2010 at 6:04 amDamn, Rory, you put it into context much better than I did, and in less words too! Thank you!
Your response is a perfect example too, because I’ve had readers tell me they skipped RR&R because of the m/m menage aspect, while other readers have asked why *all* my books aren’t menages…and why I haven’t written more m/m books.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:45 amI’ll try new series and new genres if I liked the writer before. Several people I know love Alexander McCall Smith’s Mma Ramotswe series, but gave up on the Isabel Dalhousie series immediately. It took a while (partway through the first book), but I started to appreciate the Isabel character. If i don’t like the first book in a series though, I’ll rarely read the second. In the same way that I won’t try to talk to someone at a party if I already did and they weren’t very likeable.
by Shizuka October 27th, 2010 at 6:49 amShizuka, I get where you’re coming from, but I am one of those people who doesn’t trust my first impressions, especially when it comes to people. I’ve been wrong on so many occasions, that I always give people a second and sometimes a third chance.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:46 amif its a author i really like i’ll read anything from them like ive read all your books in both of your names.i love them all.
by REGINA ROSS October 27th, 2010 at 7:12 amThanks, Regina — I’m happy you cross the genre line
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by Chance to win an online bookstore gift card! | October 27th, 2010 at 7:27 amI’ll be honest and say yes I give Book 1 from another series a try but if I don’t like it, I won’t move to book 2.
JR Ward for intstance, I gave Covent a try but didnt like it so I passed on Crave. But there are many more success stories. If I like a series, it is because I like the author’s writing so the chance is pretty high that I’ll like the story too.
All the best to you! I am eager to read your Book 2 of the Blacktop Cowboys series.
by MichellekCanada October 27th, 2010 at 7:41 amJR has such a huge following with the BDB series, sometimes I wonder even if she wrote the best book evah, if she could get away from the comparisons. And here’s where I admit…I haven’t read the first book in that series. But my excuse is because I have no time and I’m reading very little these days until I’m caught up
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:50 amHell yeah! It is the writing style that makes an author my favorite. The way they can make the characters expressive and believable. Talent is talent no matter what story they are writing. I am also bright enough not to compare apples to oranges and take each series and book for what it was meant for, to advance the over all story arch. Every book is like a work of art hanging on a wall in a museum. People’s views are very subjective so don’t take to heart the negative comments
by Sharon S. October 27th, 2010 at 7:44 amWell said, Sharon, and thank you.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:51 amyesh i usually do but sometimes its hard tho i have found sometimes book two isnt a sgood a slike book 3 or 4 so i have to keep reading
by Beverly G October 27th, 2010 at 7:55 amMe too, Beverly. If I’m not in love with a series by book 3…I tend to think I never will be.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 8:24 amOf course I give a new series by a fave author a fair shake! If I don’t love the first book in a new series on the first read, I’ll give it some time and then reread. Many times the reread will spark appreciation in the new series, and as I already know what happens, there’s no urgency to get to the end so I can savor the reading experience, not to mention there’s that hint of familiarity with the characters who aren’t total strangers anymore. (Or something)
by ms bookjunkie October 27th, 2010 at 7:59 amI like the “no urgency” comment, because everything in this crazy world seems to be about instant gratification and snap judgments
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 8:23 amWouldn’t you expect the first book in a new series to be different from the previous series because it is a NEW series? I know I do. It would be comparing apples to oranges. The writer wants to go in a new direction and I want to follow and see where he/she is taking me. I am reading their stories because I like their writing and they stories they are telling. I think it would be boring if they didn’t want to switch it up every once in awhile. I read different genres so wouldn’t it go to show that some writers may want to try different genres also?
by eEileen October 27th, 2010 at 8:13 amThank you, Eileen. What seems obvious…sometimes isn’t. I also read in different genres because I wouldn’t want a diet of just apples either
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 8:25 amI think you are one of the most talented authors I have ever read. To me a good story makes me get emotionally involved with the characters. And the ending has to leave me satisfied, not let down. With the Rough Riders series, I feel like the McKays are real characters with real emotions, feelings, lives. I am never left wanting at the end, yet at the same time I am eager for the next book to see what happens. You seamslessly add things about additional family members and friends so that when a new book comes out, you are not thinking, “now who are these people?” I also like how you show characters maturing and changing for the better over a few stories so that it is believable, such as with Colt and Kane. I was wondering if I would feel the connection with the Blacktop Series or if it was just a McKay thing
but I was very impressed with the first book. I thought it was amazing that you could write two series at once. Now when I found out you also write a Lori Armstrong I was even more surprised. Esp because it is a different genre. I am very interested in reading No Mercy, to see how you write in that style.
by Kris October 27th, 2010 at 8:23 amWow, Kris, I’m blushing, thank you so much. I won’t say I didn’t have doubts about being able to juggle two series, from the “haven’t I already addressed this issue?” to the killer deadlines I now have to meet. So I’m glad to hear there was a glimmer of the connection in the first Blacktop Cowboys book…Hank and Lainie and Kyle all make appearances in Saddled and Spurred
I write the mysteries in first person, which is just another challenge!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:04 amWhen starting a new series from an author, if the 1st book was questionable, I will give the second a try, but I will also reread the 1st again and get another take on it. If it is an author I like the waiting for the 1st in a new series to come out sometimes we have an idea of what we think to expect and the author takes it a whole different way, not to say it is bad, it is just not what we were expecting from the author.
by Shelly October 27th, 2010 at 8:29 amShelly, I guess that is something I failed to address in this post, how much affect frame of mind at the time has on our perception of books. I’m with you, if I’m reading a series, I have to go back and at least skim the previous book to know what point I’m starting, especially if the book didn’t completely resonate the first time around.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:07 amI give authors second chances, sometimes even third and fourth, when I DON’T like some of their books, I will stick with an author who I do know and love, hoping she/he is going to be worth it. Lately, I have been disenchanted with some of my ‘regular’ authors but I still picked up the next release. Doesn’t matter if it was an anthology, full length in ANOTHER series being written.
by ladyacct October 27th, 2010 at 8:33 amAnd “worth it” is exactly right, because not only are you investing money in an author’s work, but you’re investing your time.
I love anthologies because I always pick up new authors when I’m supporting my tried and true authors
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:09 amI give my favorite authors at least two books with any new series, and usually it pays off. Sometimes the first book is just about getting a protagonist established more than anything else, and the series really gets underway with the second book. People have layers, and in series it can take several books to see those.
Also, if I have confidence in an author, I know he / she is “going somewhere” with a character even if I don’t quite see it all in book one.
by Laura Griffin October 27th, 2010 at 8:42 amAgreed, Laura. I’d hate to be so set in my reading and writing ways that I wouldn’t allow for change or for something new. Or not to get that element of surprise when I absolutely did not see something coming, character wise
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:13 amIn the case you’re describing, yes, when I follow a favorite author to a new series, I generally stick with it for a while. I have to say I loved Mercy. She’s a unique, tough character for whom family comes first. I’m looking forward to to book two.
by GSM October 27th, 2010 at 8:49 amYes, Mercy is a tough woman, and she’s a challenge to write, but I hope I get to pen a few more adventures for her to see where she takes me — and you
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:14 amLori, if I like an author, I will read all their books. That being said, to determine if I’ll really enjoy the book/series, I have to connect with the characters. There are only a couple other authors, including you, that I faithfully follow. One of the mystery authors has # 17 of their continued series coming out later this month, and am looking forward to continuing my journey with this character as well. For me books are sort of like movies of the mind, that you get visualize how the characters, environment, etc. look, and it is through the expertise of the author that allows me to be able to kick back and let my imagination slip away and enjoy being with these characters while I’m reading. Hope that all makes sense. All your books are fantastic and I’m impatiently awaiting for CDC on Nov. 9 of the next RR series.
by Sharon October 27th, 2010 at 9:04 amThanks Sharon. I’m impatiently awaiting the release of JD Robb’s — 30-something book in the In Death series. The plots really are secondary to me at this point, I love the growth of the characters and their reaction to what happens around them, because Eve does not react the same now, as she did in book 1.
I cannot wait for Cowgirls Don’t Cry to come out either
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:16 ami never really thought about it this way but what a good discussion…i think i make a first impression of the series protagonist in a first book, and am happy to wait on the details. i don’t mind a little mystery around where s/he came from or what events shaped his/her life, and i enjoy learning these slowly, over time, as connections are made and the cast grows.
by sophie littlefield October 27th, 2010 at 9:20 amThat’s my goal Sophie, to try to get you to see things *my* way….kidding
I was torn posting this, but I ultimately decided I needed to say it and see what our peeps think.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:46 amI’ll follow an author I love into just about any genre or new series. And I have to admit that I have had the reaction to a new series, just like you described
I think it is inevitable. You get to know and love the characters in a beloved series.
It’s kind of like a new friendship vs. a life long friend. With a new friend you finding your footing…likes/dislikes, looking for common ground and sometimes even compare friends. Some new friends become friends for life, others stay casual acquaintances. Same with a series that you love and have developed over time.
Very few series start out with a bang and have you hooked no questions asked on book one. As long as I enjoyed it enough to look for the next book then that’s the most important thing.
One of my favorite TV shows was the same way….Seinfeld. The beginning of the show it was almost canceled, but as the series developed it just kept getting better. As I watch the reruns now I love the beginning shows more than I did the first time because I know the characters so well…whereas I didn’t when they first aired.
I’ll follow you’re writing just about anywhere…Lori, or Lorelei…doesn’t matter because I think you are an amazing writer! Doesn’t mean I will LOVE everything you write equally, but I know that the time and money spent on the stories will be worth it.
by Booklover1335 October 27th, 2010 at 9:38 amWHAT? You don’t love my books equally?
Snicker. I couldn’t resist.
So if I wrote a book about a vampire cowboy addicted to the blood of virgins, who falls in love with a shapeshifter (who isn’t always female) and they decided to go on the road to solve crimes involving former soldiers who were cursed by secret military experiments…you’d read it?
Probably out of curiosity to see if I could pull it off, huh?
Seriously, Carrie, thanks so much for commenting and your continued support
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:56 amDude, you write that one and I am so there.
;D
by toni mcgee causey October 27th, 2010 at 10:44 amToni, oddly enough…I have been thinking about it — HAHAHAHAHA –
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 10:54 amI’d definitely give it a try
After all I love me my cowboys, shapeshifters are my fav paranormal hero….and soldiers/ex military *sigh*…ok so I like my alpha heroes what can I say.
Vampires…overdone in my opinion, but that’s just me
by Booklover1335 October 27th, 2010 at 1:07 pmIf its an author i really like i will read anything from them!
If i dont like a book/series i read the first time i will always go back later and read it before i read the 2nd one
I read ALL of your books and love all of them!!!
Sandy B.
by Sandy B. October 27th, 2010 at 9:40 amThank you Sandy, and thanks for the awesome review on Shoulda Been A Cowboy
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:56 amI’m guilty about not even giving the first book a full shake. I love the Kate Daniels series by Ilona Andrews. I started reading their new series (I forget the title and character name) and could not get past the first 50-100 pages. It got great reviews, but something didn’t strike the right chord for me. I keep thinking about trying again, that I’ve “missed” something.
I think I’m more apt to read more books in a series than I should. A certain author finished her Penn Dutch Inn mystery series well beyond the point where it should have. I would complain after every book about how tedious, predictable and ridiculous it was and how there really was no mystery element. yet, I read them to the end. (Thank you Public Library system, at least I didn’t pay for them.)
by Anne October 27th, 2010 at 9:49 amAnne, I gave up on both of Laurell K Hamilton’s series. Partially because I felt the plot was getting lost (yes, I know I said in a previous post in some series plot doesn’t matter as much as characterization, but in this series it does) plus her books have gotten so damn long, it’s daunting to consider reading a 500 to 600 page book…
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 10:46 amHaving read 4 books from your RR series & Coralled, I am a little surprised that fans were comparing the two. I went into Coralled knowing that it was a brand new group of folks. I really liked the change and it kept your writing fresh.
Fans might be comparing now but if you had written about another big family in the same vein as RR you would have been hearing opinions from the other end of the spectrum. That you have limited range…regurgitating same plots, etc.
I am definitely game on following a favorite author into new ventures so long as the quality of writing doesn’t change. That’s the key for me. The writing “voice” and how the characters emote across the page has to carry from one book to the next, one series to the next.
I recognized your “voice” in Coralled and saw in Hank & Kyle hallmark LJ hero characteristics, so all is right with the world.
Go forth and write!
by Scorpio M. October 27th, 2010 at 9:49 amThat’s another thing I didn’t talk about, Scorpio, lest I come off whiny about how the comparisons would be…just as bad if readers/critics said the series were interchangeable and I wasn’t stretching myself as a writer, or taking chances to do something new, even if it falls short of reader expectations.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 10:49 amI was at an utter loss when you posted this link on the L.James blog. Thank you for giving something besides the McKays to obsess over. It is too damn hard to wait for the next set of books that you write. I fell in love with your style and even though I am utterly loyal to the McKay/West series, I loved the Blacktop folks as well. I don’t think the books follow the same plot lines, because your characters feel so real, I ache when reading through their trials. Keep it up, thanks for the hint into another set of books to devour.
by Marcy Gray October 27th, 2010 at 9:51 amYay, Marcy, I love it when people are…shocked and surprised when they find out I write “other” books, in either genre, under another name.
And I’ll just say, Cowgirls Don’t Cry kicked my ass too, it’s a longer book, 92K, it took me that long to tell the story and get it right, so there is quite a bit of angst in it. But humor too. And hot sex
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 10:51 amLori, if I find an author I really like, I tend to stick with them no matter what. I started reading Johanna Lindsey way back when I was 10, and still read her faithfully. Same for JD Robb/NR. When I found your LJ books i was thrilled, and now knowing you write as LA, I plan on reading them all. (Maybe I’ll start with Mercy so I can’t compare!)
by Tina October 27th, 2010 at 10:00 amThanks for reading the LJ books!
Yes, Tina, start with Mercy, and NO MERCY comes out in paperback in one short month — that’s another complaint I’ve had — the price of hardcover books, so I’m happy to be coming out in trade paperback with MERCY KILL!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 10:55 amIf I am reading a new series from a favorite author yes I will definitely give it a chance and sample more than one book. With series in general I will try book 2 even if there was something I didn’t like about book 1. I try not to compare previous series. If I did I would be disappointed in some way if we are talking about a favorite series with characters I love then of course its going to be terribly difficult to live up to that. Since I was a TV lover before a Book Addict I think of series the way I think about the new TV season. I am going to sample a few episodes of a show I think I will like before I decide to become a fan. I’m going to give books the same treatment.
by Miranda October 27th, 2010 at 10:05 amFunny you should say that, Amanda, I had two more pages to this post, lamenting one new TV show in particular I’m giving up on, after LOVING everything else the creator has done…I’m saving that for another time.
I’m glad to hear you give authors a book or two to get it right
— or at least prove it’s not wrong to hope they will get it right!
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 10:59 amI meant Miranda, not Amanda…forgive me please
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:18 pmI have a really hard time moving to the second in a series if I don’t like the first one. What I usually do is check out the reviews. Other readers comments usually help me decide whether or not to give the series another try. On the other hand I don’t give up on the author. I will read a different genre from that author or try something outside the series. I always give the author a second chance because you never know. I have personally found authors that blow me away after not liking one of their books.
by Leagh October 27th, 2010 at 10:20 amIn addition to my previous comment. I am guilty of comparing to previous books and series especially if they are the same type of atmosphere, Ex: RR vs Blacktop, but I also understand that they are different families and a completely different situation. I try to take the book for what it is and give it a fair shot.
by Leagh October 27th, 2010 at 10:37 amLeagh, the funny thing is, in the reviews for Corralled, some people expected it to be identical to Long Hard Ride, because on the surface, a menage book set on the road in the world of rodeo — is a description which could loosely describe both books. So I got a huge kick out of some reviewers who were “pleasantly surprised” at the differences. I’ll take it
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:02 amYes I do judge based on previous work. Take for instance my extreme love for Nora Roberts. She has perfected the trilogy. She bases them on close friends, some times not so close friends, family or whatever. I’ve read all of them. And some trilogies I loved, own and read again and again and again. But she does have some that I am sorry I ever purchased. But because I know a majority of the time I’ll enjoy her work I will read all the books in the series before I completely write it off but I can usually tell from book 1 how I’ll feel about it. Her 7 trilogy I still get mad thinking about it. I really hated those books. I didn’t like the characters, the plot, the setting or anything. But a new series came out and I gave it a chance. it definitely isn’t my favorite but I like it better than the 7 one and I’m going to buy the final book in the series before I decide how I feel about it. My favorite series of hers I actually didn’t like book 1 it wasn’t until I completed the series that I realized I LOVED it. I read it all the time all the books. But if I didn’t give it enough of a chance I would have missed out on what I think is some of her best work.
My point is yes I do judge based on previous work but I try to give enough of a chance to form a solid opinion on the new work. For some you can do that in 1 book but sometimes you can’t. True fans will keep giving you a chance to prove them right, that you are a great writer no matter what you write.
by Thembi October 27th, 2010 at 10:22 amThembi, you are the perfect reader! And loyal, too, thanks so much for sharing how your thought processes work regarding new books from tried and true and beloved authors.
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:03 amI honestly can say that I don’t compare or judge stories fr author to author, series to series, book to book as stand alone or even book to book within series. My mind just doesn’t work that way. I shed all expectation when starting a book, because expectation rob me of a good journey in reading a story.
I don’t give bad review on a book either because I know, regardless if I like the story or not, how hard it is to write a book & have it published. If it’s easy, everybody will be doing it. That’s why I’m a reader, NOT a writer. A fiction book is an art piece, the same way I look at a painting, a sculpture, or a craft piece, just because I don’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s a bad art. So, writing a book review saying “the book is bad, hate it because there’s no way it can happen in real life (duh! that’s why it’s fiction!), this author isn’t as good as another author, disappointed because story could’ve been written better or doesn’t turn out as expected” is a BIG no no for me. If I read that kind of review, I usually say “well, then write your own goddamn book!”.
I give an author about 3 books in a series to decide if I want to follow in the journey or not. Read 2 stand alone ones to see if I want to buy more from an author.
So far, I’m enjoying the ride you’re taking me with your stories. It doesn’t matter which genre or series, I can easily connect with your art pieces.
by mbot565 October 27th, 2010 at 10:26 amI agree about the bad reviews. I recently called my book buddy to vent because one of the books I read got a terrible review and it really pissed me off. It was only because the people reading it didn’t understand it. I get so upset when an author gets trashed because a book “wasn’t as good as the last” especially when it is a different genre. I don’t think people should trash books or say “this author is off my auto buy list” just because they didn’t like one book.
by Leagh October 27th, 2010 at 10:42 amYep! I guess I should say it’s would be different if the bad reviews come from fellow authors, since they know what they’re talking about. But, I find it hard to believe authors will trash other authors’ piece, precisely because they know what they’re talking about. Authors have the freedom to write whatever they want, and as readers we can decide if we want to invest our time reading it or not. If I don’t like the story, I don’t finish it. If it turns out I don’t enjoy certain author’s writing style, I don’t buy his/her books. To me, that’s simple common sense.
But, for me to write bad reviews, telling other readers how bad a book is & not to buy it because I don’t like it, when I know nothing how to write one, is just plain rude & tacky. Can’t do it!
It’s like telling others that because he/she doesn’t like a story, it must be bad, so others shouldn’t bother reading it. It implies that their taste is so much better than those who like it. It just rubs me the wrong way.
It’s okay to like stories that get tons of bad reviews and it’s okay NOT to enjoy or like stories that get tons of good ones. All that says is we like stories that are different from what a lot of people like & there’s nothing wrong with that.
by mbot565 October 27th, 2010 at 11:42 amThank you, and I’m humbled by the art comparison. And that’s one reason while I never say “that’s not art” just because I don’t like it visually, I have no right to judge what it is.
That was a little off the topic for me wasn’t it? Big surprise!
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:10 amI will definitely follow authors I love. It’s funny, 2 authors that I can think of, I absolutely would go to the ends of the earth for more books in their series but cannot get into the other series they write.
by Crystal D October 27th, 2010 at 10:26 amSo Crystal, if your fave author started *another* series, beyond the ones you love, would you buy it?
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:11 amI always give new series s fair shake. Sometimes as a reader I want to read something different from one of my favorite authors (ie YOU). I’m actually getting ready to read No Mercy. Looking forward to it. I have read the first Blacktop Cowboys book and really enjoyed it.
by Sherry H October 27th, 2010 at 10:29 amSherry, I’m still surprised to be considered someone’s favorite author (and yes, I do a little happy dance, alone in my office)
I try to read widely so I don’t get bored, but one genre I won’t read is literary. Makes me a reverse snob, I know, but it’s my money and I’d rather support genre fiction.
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:13 amLori, this is an interesting question! I’m such a random reader, it’s hard for me to answer. For instance, I read series out of order, just depending on when I “discover” it. But I’m am very interested in everyone else answers!
by Jen Lyon October 27th, 2010 at 10:42 amJen, you don’t read books in order? Gasp!
I’m one of those anal people who cannot read a series out of order. If I can’t get the first book…I won’t read the existing books.
And since Hallowed Ground, the 2nd book in my Julie Collins series isn’t available in all ebook formats, I know I’ve lost readers…
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:16 amFor me it depends on whether I enjoyed the first book or not. If I loved it then I would continue on with the series but if it was just decent or blah I won’t continue it.
by Jeanette Juan October 27th, 2010 at 10:45 amThat’s good to know, Jeanette, thanks for the comment!
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:17 amI have not read any of your mysteries yet, but I am excited to! I recently started reading your Rough Riders series and I am so addicted and hungry for more of your books. The other day I was thinking…what am I going to do when I am done reading the Rough Riders, I am going through them so fast, I can’t stop myself. I know what I am going to do now, start your mysteries. But I do want to read Corralled next. As a matter of fact I went to my local bookstore the other day to get that book but it was gone, I was so dissapointed but I still plan to get my hands on it one way or another.
I have to mention that I am from South Dakota also, northeastern SD, so there is not much rodeo around this part but damn I wish there was. Too bad I am not young and single anymore because I would love to go out west and meet myself a sexy cowboy like one of them McKay’s!
by Milissa October 27th, 2010 at 10:46 amMilissa, I can only hope the reason there were no copies of Corralled is because they sold out
luckily they’re available online…or you can nag the bookstore to order you a copy.
I had someone tell me they wished they’d “discovered” my books when I finished the entire Rough Rider series so they didn’t have to wait for the next release.
A fellow SD girl – yay! My daughter is headed to Aberdeen tomorrow for All State Orchestra.
I hope you give the mysteries a try, especially being a SD girl
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:21 amYes it was sold out, it was there before and then it was gone! I will get it and read it and definitely start on the mysteries!
I do live in Aberdeen, good luck to your daughter at All State! A friend of mine has company from Sturgis staying with her for All State because all the hotels are full, I suppose between that and hunters. It is super windy here today and we got a little snow overnight but I think the wind is supposed to go down by tommorrow so hopefully she has safe travels!
by Milissa October 27th, 2010 at 11:35 amWe are not going to All State because there is NO place to stay because of pheasant hunting season — which is why they decided 6 years ago just to have All State in either Rapid City or Sioux Falls. Don’t know why they changed it this year. And yes, it’s blowing like crazy here with snow flurries so I worry about the roads.
Did you try and buy the book at the Little Professor?
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:20 pmYes, that is where I went and I will check again, either I will have them order it or I will order it online. I am so glad I had the opportunity to chat with you! Have a great weekend!
by Milissa October 27th, 2010 at 12:28 pmI have loved reading this discussion today–it’s really heartening to hear that readers will try another genre from a writer they love, even if it’s way outside the framework of the original genre.
I, too, will give an author a couple of books in a new genre if I loved a previous one. Generally, that’s because I love their voice, their way of looking at the world. But also, as a writer, I understand why they want to stretch and learn and I want to support that, because I have faith that they have a reason to want to write *that* type of new story at *that* particular time. Most of the time, I’m very very glad I stuck with them.
by toni mcgee causey October 27th, 2010 at 10:48 amI will read ANYTHING you write Toni. Anything.
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:21 amWhen it comes to any book written by an author I love, I will under normal circumstances buy and read every book the author has written with in the same genre. I have read every book you have written as Lorelei James and have loved them all however I haven’t read anything written as Lori Armstrong because I have been in a mystery kind of mood. I also would never think to compare two series to each other, hello two different series there for two different bases in which to subject criticism. I hope that helps with what your where asking?
by April P October 27th, 2010 at 10:50 amIt helps a lot, April, thank you. Everyone has different reasons for what makes them continue on, or makes them stop reading, and sometimes it’s just a matter of not liking the new genre.
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:23 amIf I’ve started a series, I’ll keep reading it. I’ll keep reading it even if one doesn’t quite meet my expectations or didn’t really interest me. Sometimes the author needs to lay some groundwork for what is upcoming. I don’t want to miss something about a character I’ve come know and care about. If I really don’t like a book from a series I have like,, I tend to think that it maybe isn’t the book’s fault, but that it isn’t the right book for me at that time.
by Hope Hix October 27th, 2010 at 10:51 amI’ve had people I admire recommend books, and when I’m kind of meh about them, I wonder if it’s me, so I know exactly what you mean, Hope.
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:24 amAbsolutely. I’m a fan of both RR & BC. But as far as readers giving their favorite authors a chance with a new series, I think it has a lot to do with what genre you’re writing in as well. It might be difficult to pull someone who reads western erotica to mysteries. They’re two completely different spectrum of the reading scope.
by Sarah October 27th, 2010 at 11:18 amTrue, Sarah, which is why I have two names and I don’t expect all readers to follow me across genre lines…so my question is geared more toward writing in the same genre with a new series.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:22 pmI do give my favorite authors a chance in most all their series…Cowboys are a given so now hard feelings from the McKay/West to Blacktop. I followed JR Ward BDB Series, could not get into Covet but I purchased Crave to try again…I enjoyed her Jessica Bird series
Pamela Clare is anther I followed her two historicals then the I-team came out…and I was hooked…usually not my genre either…
So Yea I give My FAVORITE Authors a fair shake in all their series…with yours it was not that hard from cowboy to cowboy but i have to admit I have yet to pick up your Mercy series….I will though
by Chele Blades October 27th, 2010 at 11:23 amI haven’t read Pamela Clare, but I see her name popping up all over the place.
Sometimes I wonder if I ever get a chance to write a historical western, whether the contemp readers would follow me…
by Lori G. Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 11:26 amI would be ALL over that! Historical romances are my first romance love…make it one of your type of cowboy romances…in a historical setting…I’d be in heaven
by Booklover1335 October 27th, 2010 at 1:03 pmI would so be preordering a historical western when it is by an established fav writer definately applies to you…
I do love the damsel in distress living out west during the cowboy & indians time…you should consider it
by Chele Blades October 27th, 2010 at 2:38 pmNaturally, my historical would be set around Deadwood, South Dakota, probably in one of the whore houses
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 3:15 pmLOVIN’ IT…
by Chele Blades October 27th, 2010 at 4:05 pmI will read anything my favorite authors put out, do I love everything they put out, not all the time. Do I give up on them after reading one I don’t like, NO. Perfect example is JR Ward’s BDB..LOVE IT, love her website where it gives little snippets of life with them. The new series it took awhile for me to give in and read Covet, I read it and it didn’t grab me, so I don’t plan on reading the rest, it’s not because it’s a bad book, I guess I just didn’t care for the storyline. But others love it and it is JR’s great quality. I am hoping a new BDB comes out soon.
Based on that experience, I was gun shy to jump into Corralled. But I am so glad I finally read it. I fell in LOVE with Rough Riders instantly…I read LHR for the 1st time 8/3/10 by 8/9/10 I read all the way to Raising Kane, including the 2 Wild West books (I just looked on my Kindle for the dates….lol). As of last week I have read every Lorelei James book out. I couldn’t wait any longer and bought Corralled last Thursday, read it in one setting. I LOVED IT!!! The only thing it has in common with Rough Riders is yummy men, a great story, sense of real emotions and HOT sex scenes. Oh…there is mention of a certain demonstration at a rodeo involving 2 cowboys, a buckle bunny and a saddle, that I imagine is the same incident mentioned in the Rough Riders series =)
Your books have raised my expectations for other books. And I am finding not many can compare. Since reading your books, I have been unable to find many erotic romances, that provide an actual story along with great sex scenes.
Keep on doing what you are doing…you have so many of us that read everything you release as fast as you release it, and re-read your books while we are waiting for your new releases.
I am not so patiently waiting for the release of Slow Ride, Cowgirls Don’t Cry and Saddled & Spurred!!!
by Dawn October 27th, 2010 at 11:27 amand by the way…I giggled when I read the saddle incident in Corralled because it made me think that was your way to see if us RR fans would catch it…you do like to tease us =)
by Dawn October 27th, 2010 at 11:32 amWell, Dawn, at least you didn’t gobble them up in one sitting and had another LJ book to fall back on
that said, I’m happy you enjoyed Corralled as much as the RR books.
And yeah, I love inside jokes — I have one in Miss Firecracker that relates to the Lori Armstrong mysteries, and I have India talk about one of the tattoos she got from her friend Brett in Vegas, which refers to my good friend Karen Olson’s Tattoo Shop mysteries!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:24 pmNow I am definitely going to have to read the LA mysteries, I love trying to catch your inside jokes.
I remember thinkin that Brett might pop up in a future book when I read about India’s tattoo. Now you have piqued my curiosity and I might have to look into Karen Olson’s books.
Have a Great Day!!!
ps still chompin at the bit for SR and CDC
by Dawn October 27th, 2010 at 12:31 pmI know you are chompin’ at the bit for CDC and SR…you and everyone else, and you’ll read it in 6 hours and go…what’s next? Why can’t you write faster?
But I do love you guys for that!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:54 pmIf I really like an author I will absolutely read anything they write even if it’s different from what they normally write. There are a few authors I am very loyal to and some happen to write different series. I’ve read each and every single one of their books.
I think anyone who truly enjoys reading should give authors the opportunity to express themselves and to write different series.
by Dee Ferreira October 27th, 2010 at 11:34 amHere here Dee!!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:25 pmI tend to read the first three books of a series. Sometimes it takes more than one book for the characters and back history to really capture me.
by Little Lamb Lost October 27th, 2010 at 11:35 amI will say this happened to me with Patricia Cornwell’s series, I finally “got” Scarpetta by book 3, however, she lost me when she brought Wes back from the dead. But that’s a whole ‘nother post.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:26 pmGreat post, Lori! I am editing the second book in a series right now and going through EXACTLY the same thing. I’m really enjoying the reader comments here – thanks for posting this! xo
by Roxanne St. Claire October 27th, 2010 at 11:41 amOy, Rocki, fun, ain’t it? Congrats on your new series, I’m so excited for you!!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:27 pmHi L,
I have a few favorite authors that I’ve read everything they’ve written regardless of the subject.
Now having said that there are authors who I’ve read many of their books, with different subjects but not all. There really are just some story subjects that aren’t to MY liking – doesn’t mean it’s not a great story.
Take Lori Foster – I’ve read all of her books. The fighters series – which are great stories. When My Man Michael came out I knew it was a time travel book, I knew it took place off planet – I knew this. I started the story got a couple of chapters in and had to put it down. I read something else then came back to it and started again with a fresh approach – I really enjoyed, I’ve read it twice. My problem started by re-reading the series to get to know everyone again for that book and it just didn’t apply.
For me it’s about the authors style – yours regardless of its genere are extremely descriptive from thoughts and feelings to the environment they are in. In No Mercy you describe Mercy walking across the land and how her each footstep created a poof of the dry earth. I felt like I was there.
No matter how long or short your story is I know I will get this in your books.
Oh and if you wrote a book about a vampire cowboy addicted to the blood of virgins – hmmm – no matter how much I love your cowboy stories from RR – vampires – not so much for ME. LOL
by Michele Adams October 27th, 2010 at 11:46 amMichele I am right there with you on Lori Foster’s SBC series…oh the fighters are umm, ummm. ummm…
I like the description you put about No Mercy, it makes me want to step out of my favorite genre and give it a try. Thank you!!!
by Dawn October 27th, 2010 at 11:50 amThat’s it, Michele, you are off the list as one of my favorite fans — KIDDING.
You and I have similar taste in books and we tend to keep our opinions of books to ourselves, especially when the opinion isn’t that great.
And I’m happy that the setting in the books comes alive for you. Then I’ve done my job.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:32 pmIf I am hooked on an author, I will read everything they write. Sure, some books I like more than others, but that doesn’t mean I quit and never pick up a book from that author again. It’s no different than if you’re hooked on a TV series. Some episodes you like more than others, but you still watch it every week. As far as your books go, they are all awesome. I have read every one and you are an auto buy author for me, now and always!
by Becky Johnson October 27th, 2010 at 12:04 pmWoot for me being an auto buy author for you, Becky!
Alas, I have given up on TV shows. Heroes. But that was after season 2, so it doesn’t count, right?
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:33 pmIf there is a new book out by a favorite author, I usually read, even if I end up not enjoying it as much as the author’s other books. For me, it is not always about the series as much as how the characters are developed in the books.
by Dorothy October 27th, 2010 at 12:08 pmI’m happy when readers give us a chance to develop those characters, Dorothy.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:59 pmI will read anything from an author whose books I have enjoyed and appreciate.
by diane October 27th, 2010 at 12:16 pmIn all genres, Diane? I know someone like Christina Dodd writes all over the place.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 12:59 pmYou ask–Do I give a new series from a favored author a fair shake???
by Catherine October 27th, 2010 at 12:22 pmAnswer–Always!!!
There’s a reason the author is a favored one. I like what the author has written. Some books entertain me more than others. Some become fav’s, read more times than I would care to admit too. Others, get re-read 1-2 times, but kept on the shelf.
Great blog today Lori, Thanks!
Thanks for stopping by and weighing in, Catherine
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 1:00 pmIf I like an author, I’ll always give their “new directions” a try. In some cases, I end up loving the new even more than the old. I loved your Julie Collins books. I have to admit I don’t read much erotica, but your Rough Riders and Blacktop Cowboys are fun. The Mercy series? I haven’t tried it yet, but it’s on the pile. I’m sure I’ll enjoy it like I did the JC series!
by Silver James October 27th, 2010 at 12:24 pmSilver, darlin’, how did I miss you? You always have such great insight, so thank you!!!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:43 pmWell, First off, I still luv ya no matter what you write! You will forever be my #1 Keeper on my shelf.
by Kirsten C October 27th, 2010 at 12:34 pm2nd. I think the real issue is to look at some reviewers. As a reader, I don’t look at reviews as much as most do! (Actually I don’t look at reviews before reading a book at all!) I’ve found that so many reviews have been posted by individuals that probably shouldn’t have been reading the book to begin with. My book buddy and I constantly bring this up. Why was this person reading a menage when they clearly are not comfortable with that situation? A lot of reviewers will use the “porn” word when they have read something outside of their comfort zone. While I salute them for trying something new, I don’t read many futuristics because I know I don’t typically enjoy them! We’ve always said-didn’t that idiot read the back of the book where it clearly states a warning…!!! As with anything in life, there are smart readers and not so smart readers…I’d focus more on us smart ones! :0) Please don’t get me wrong, I’m not discounting anyones reading experiences, I simply get pissed when the only reviews you see are those who are too dumb to read the back and know their own preferences! Just cuz the cover is pretty doesn’t mean you’ll like it!
Finally, as to my preferences. I have my favorite authors. And as my keeper shelf is busting at the shelves, that list continues to grow! Any of my favorites will get a fair shake! I have had quite a few series that they started off slow and I’ve had to simply get through the first one to get to the story I really wanna read! If it’s a new authors, I may give them one or two in a series and try a different genre, but my tried and true keepers typically don’t let me down! I’ll read most anything they write be it good or a little lacking. While yes I do compare series in the same genre, I don’t typically do it by the author. I may compare a cowboy series between 2 authors as to which I enjoyed more or what I liked in each, but I’m not cancelling one out! I may LOVE rough riders, but that doesn’t mean I’m not going to love blacktop as well, just differently! Quite frankly, if you wrote everything the same-you’d be off my keeper shelf! I wouldn’t want 2 cowboy series that were identical but with different names! I hate reading certain authors for that reason alone. What’s the point of reading the same book over and over but with different character names?!! It’s the authors who surprise me with different aspects that show their worth! So again, to those who want the same old, same old across series by one author…maybe they shouldn’t be readers for your work! They should probably find a sub-par writer who doesn’t have the ability to change things up and is limited in their creativity!
And to those who wish to misguide readers-don’t review! You’re really screwing things up for the rest of the population! My best piece of advice, read the back cover and decide for yourself. If you don’t like it what are you really out-a couple of bucks and a few hours? Seriously! I’ve done it a million times over and am constantly surprised by how many times I find a new author that I love! A lot of times the readers who have reviewed it (after checking post read) truly missed the boat on the concepts behind the piece!
And please don’t read something you know you are not comfortable with (at least after trying it once)!
Pretty sure that was enough rant! :0) Just an extremely annoying issue on this side of the fence as well!
Again, I get you and your writing so please keep it coming! Stay true to your work and your characters & most importantly yourself! I’m totally infatuated with them and would be sadly dissappointed to see duplicated stories across the board!
What an awesome response, Kirsten.
Because I write erotic, it gets called porn frequently. Especially by those who don’t normally read erotic romance.
I get those reviews where people put the book down after 3 chapters because it they think it was trash, or it offended them. They are entitled to do that. However, reviewing a book, when you haven’t read the ENTIRE book is just wrong. And grossly unfair.
There are authors who will get on threads at amazon.com or on Good Reads and promote their own work, and if that appeals to them and they’re not turning off readers, fine. I am not one of those people. I won’t publicly review a book either, because my opinion is just that…and being somewhat in the public eye, it can cause all sorts of problems so I avoid it.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 1:05 pmWell, I was going to say that “of course, I give any new series a chance if I like the writer”, but then I read through the comments and caught the one about vampire cowboys and shapeshifters — and there I draw the line
I read lots of different genres/authors/series, but I just can’t get the hang of those two subjects — and really, it’s probably a good thing since I’ll never live long enough to read everything I’d like to anyway (gotta narrow it down somehow!)
by Janice October 27th, 2010 at 12:45 pmLove, love, love your stuff! (No clue how you manage it all, but love it, so thanks.)
Janice, the really funny thing about that is someone asked me if I would consider writing a cowboy vampire series…and I’m like no way. Most cowboys are defined by their ties to the land and their cattle and their way of life. Which means being outside. Hello? Vamps burn in the sun. And vampires are predators and cows and horses tend to run the other direction when faced with predators…which again, is completely in opposition to a cowboy/rancher’s way of life.
So you’re safe on me ever attempting to pen that type of series
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 1:16 pmIf I really enjoy an author, I read everything by that author. I know enough to give time for a new series for the authot to “build” this new world. The only series I’ve given up on was 16 books into the series, but I haven’t given up on the author. She has started a new series that I read with relish.
Comparing an authors series’ are like comparing your children to each other…something that NEVER should be done!
by Bridget Werbin October 27th, 2010 at 12:51 pmCan I just say you rock, Bridget, for sticking with 16 books? And a high five for not giving up on the author entirely…you’re a much more devoted reader than I am!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 1:17 pmSometimes.
by chey October 27th, 2010 at 1:37 pmChey, you usually have more to say….
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 3:16 pmIf I really like an author then I would more than likely continue to get all of the books in the series. However I wouldnt rush to read it the day it came out…like I do some books. It would more than likely sit on my Kindle for months before I got around to reading it. And more often than not the book turns out really good and Im left thinking…hmmm why didnt I read this sooner.
by Jennifer Lubow October 27th, 2010 at 1:42 pmOr if you get it for free…sometimes those books go to the bottom of the pile.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 2:54 pmThe reason I got into the RR series was a recomendation from reading the Chased series by Lauren Dane. I liked the Chase boys, but I love the McKay men…I burned up the battery in my first kindle, rereading through RR before RK. My youngest threw my phone at my second(replacement) kindle while I was going back through ATU where the screen cracked and froze to a steamy sceen with ropes. I am on my third kindle and will gladly get another because it takes to long to get your books in print. haha
So those recomends and free books opened my world to many authors I wouldn’t have looked at twice.
Hunt through the lists, make friends with strangers where ever you go. Anytime I someone with a kindle, I ask who they’re reading and who they like. I always tell them about L. James.
by Marcy Gray October 27th, 2010 at 7:58 pmI will also, like many here, read anything by my favourite author.
I will also try new authors and if I like the first book in a series, then I’ll definitly will get the next…and the next…and so on.
Lately, I have been getting books in the middle of a series…and now I need to do some serious glomming!!!
Valerie
by Valerie October 27th, 2010 at 1:42 pmin Germany
Val, I applaud you for reading in the middle of a series.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 2:55 pmIf I enjoyed another series by an author, I will read several books in the series to see if I like the new series.
by CrystalGB October 27th, 2010 at 2:24 pmI’m happy to hear that Crystal.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 2:56 pmI will read book from my favorite authors if its a new genre. I try not to compare it to the other works I LOVE but its hard!
by amy j October 27th, 2010 at 2:26 pmI will read it once if I can’t stand it I will try to re-read it or try the next to see if it was just my mood at the time and give it another chance.
That seems to be a theme, Amy, and it bodes well for authors who want to take chances!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 2:56 pmI read a lot of different types of books, in a bunch of different genres. To me, it doesn’t matter so much where the story takes place or the character used. It is about a well written story. It is wether or not the author was able to write a believable character; not necessary likable; and a make me feel something. It doesn’t matter if that feeling is love, hate, sorrow, or anger. Just something. I have read books where I really didn’t care about anything that happens and that is just too bad. A think that a good author, is a good author no matter what story they tell. Granted there are certain series or book s that I enjoy more, just like there are certain authors I enjoy more.
by Nikki C. October 27th, 2010 at 3:10 pmGood points, but I’d have a hard time picking up another book by an author if the biggest reaction I felt after finishing it was hatred.
Which is why I’ve never ever ever read another Wally Lamb book, nor will I ever.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 3:18 pmI don’t think I’ve every had a case where a favorite author started a new series and I didn’t like it. I love books a lot, and it takes a really bad, terrible story for me to give up and stop reading a book anyway. I can think of only one or two books I’ve ever just tossed because they were so bad. So to answer your question, yes, I would give a new fiction series from a favorite author a fair shake.
by Barbara Elness October 27th, 2010 at 3:16 pmThank you, Barbara!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 3:18 pmOh, if it’s a favorite author I will try my hardest to like anything they write. And luckley, I pretty much have so far!
by Chelsea B. October 27th, 2010 at 3:40 pmThat’s encouraging, Chelsea!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pmLorelei,
by Sharon October 27th, 2010 at 4:10 pmI have loved, loved the Rough Riders series and because of that I was nervous about the Blacktop series. However, once I read the first one I was hooked. Much of that is due to your writing style, I always feel very connected to your characters. That is all you! I have several favorite authors and I always look forward to their new works/series. I just love to read with erotic romance being my favorite gene so as long as you keep writing them (no matter the series), I’ll keep reading them.
Me loves you, Sharon! I’m happy you weren’t disappointed and are looking forward to more
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 5:17 pmMost certainly! Especially from a favorite author. Each book has it own personality, even though its apart of a series. I may not particularly like it the first time around, which is why I always read a book twice. For instance, the first time I read Corralled I honestly didn’t know what to think, but the second time I read it I fell in love with it. Besides that, I truly believe it takes at minimum three books to set up a series and thats when I usually start comparing the series to another by the same author. To be perfectly honest, its usually never about which one I perceive is better, its usually trying to figure out which one I love more. So I will always give a new series from a favorite author or any author to be more specific a fair shake as you put it.
Oh, by the way, I absolutely love the Rough Riders series. Its one of my favorites, I especially love Cord! I happen to be sending the series to one of my friends as present for passing her exams and becoming an RN.
by Kadie October 27th, 2010 at 4:27 pmI appreciate the honesty, Kadie, and I’m happy you gave Corralled another read.
Lots of readers love Cord. And it doesn’t bother me at all when they say Cowgirl Up and Ride is their favorite book in the RR series, even when it was the 3rd book.
And your friend is lucky if you’re providing her with books, my daughter is in nursing school and I know how stressed she is!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 5:20 pmI have to agree that Cord and AJ’s story is a favorite of mine but my favorite McKay is Kade.
With Cord and AJ’s story, I loved the way AJ got to Cord and broke down his barriers. Probably my absolute favorite passage comes out of that book, it’s after Keeley and Carolyn confront Cord and he goes into a very heartwarming speech about his feelings for AJ. Man, that brought tears to my eyes.
Kane, I fell in love with broken-hearted he was when he and Skylar broke up but also how he just accepted Liza from the start and wanted to be a full time Dad. Even though he’s a total alpha male, he seems the most sensitive of all the McKay men.
That all being said, I think Keeley’s story is probably my favorite mainly because I always felt she’d end up with a cowboy of her own and she got just the opposite. They make such a great couple though and it was so fun watching Keeley grown and change from book to book.
by Sharon October 27th, 2010 at 7:06 pmYes, Sharon, I knew the instant Jack stepped onto the page and announced he’d never ever end up with a country girl or a cowgirl that I was gonna make him eat his words…
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:42 pmI love all different genres so I love it when an author is able to write in multiple genres. If I start a new series by an author I love and I find that it is striking a chord with me, I do give the benefit of the doubt and try the second book when it comes out. If the second doesn’t work for me, I will try to figure out why (by reviewing the stuff I love from that author). Depending on the write-up for the third, I might give it a try. If it still isn’t singing, I put the series on my “only on a clearance rack” list and move on. What really aggravates me are the authors who can’t write differenct genres or switch it up and get creative. I HATE cookie cutter plots and characters. It wastes my time, money and brain cells. I only have a little of each so I have to be careful how I use ‘em! BTW, great blog post today!
by Jen B. October 27th, 2010 at 4:55 pmHah about the brain cell comment, Jen, I understand completely. There is a popular series or two that I’ve stuck with through book 4, but after that…I enjoyed them while I read them, but everything blended together and I couldn’t tell you the plots if my life depended on it. That’s my signal to move on.
Glad you enjoyed the post!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 5:22 pmI always live to read new books by my favorite authors. When favorite authors cross genres I usually follow them and that’s how I learn to experience new genres and it broadens my horizons.
by Charlee October 27th, 2010 at 5:13 pmI agree. I don’t read many historicals, but I did follow Karen Marie Moning from her time traveling books to her historicals to her…whatever the Fever series is.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 5:24 pmI already commented but I have a question and an explanation I would like to add.
Question first – Lori what constitutes a bad review in your opinion, is it star level or comments that helps decide that? As someone who does review I am curious. I try not to review books that I did not enjoy – if I can’t say mostly nice things and rate it 3 stars or more I keep quiet usually.
I know many people have said they don’t review and I can understand that but I review for a couple of reasons(if anyone cares
. First I spend a lot of money in a year on books so I use reviews to “help” make my decision and I prefer when there are multiple reviews so I can see the whole picture. The other reason, particularly in erotic romance, is that it is a dirty little secret for most people (or a guilty pleasure in my case). Your friends might recommend The Book of Negros to everyone they talk to but not many are going to recommend Rough Raw and Ready unless they are REALLY good friends. I found LJ surfing a review site and for that I will always be grateful. You rock Lori!
by Rory G October 27th, 2010 at 5:18 pmRory,
A bad review isn’t necessarily about the stars, or lack thereof. It gets me the most when the reader hasn’t finished the book, but still feels entitled to post and cross post the review to a dozen or more sites. Which I have to say will affect my sales most likely. Not that I can prove it.
Bad reviews are part of being a writer and usually I can roll with the punches. But some of them are beyond snarky and just plain mean, and are filled with supposition about the author’s character, which has no place in a book review. I got an F on Cowgirl Up and Ride from a gay male reviewer who said I killed off one of the characters because he was a fag — the reviewer’s word, not mine — and that I was homophobic. Also the age difference between the main characters was icky, then he went into this long explanation about how a friend of his had a daughter who ended up on drugs with an older guy and…which also had nothing to do with the book. And being sort of masochistic, I followed the comments after his review and everyone agreed my books sucked, I sucked and they’d never purchase anything by me again.
I pulled up my big girl panties and moved on, but it stung.
Then again, there are tons of reviewers who get behind a series and promote the hell out of it, and if I have to put up with one shitty review out of ten, I’ll take it
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 5:37 pmI always give my favorite authors the benefit of the doubt. I’ll even follow them when switch genres.
by Jane October 27th, 2010 at 5:25 pmThanks Jane!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 5:38 pmI must admit I didn’t know you had a mystery series or wrote under a different name, so I’m excited to try it. Generally I feel like I can’t be sure about a series unless I’ve read the first two books. It’s hard for me to judge a series by the first book because you never know what the momentum of the series is going to be. Thanks for all the great stories!
by Julie W October 27th, 2010 at 6:06 pmI love surprising people, Julie
— and great name by the way!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:37 pmIf I have a favorite author, I am willing to give them multiple chances if I am disppointed with a book. I am usually not disappointed though and still love my favorite authors.
by Stephanie McCarthy October 27th, 2010 at 6:28 pmThanks for commenting, Stephanie!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:38 pmWould definitely give a new series a second read if it’s an author/series that I luved the 1st time round. You can’t judge one series from the next, although each author has a certain way of writing that seems to flow in to all their books which makes them unique in their own way. You don’t no what ya’ll like til’ u read it!
by Cheryl Kennye October 27th, 2010 at 6:35 pmIt’s funny, Cheryl, I had one reviewer review my first books Dirty Deeds and Blood Ties and she SWORE I could not be the same person…
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:39 pmI’ll definitely give other series by an author more than a fair shake. After all, I’m predisposed to like the series because I like the author’s writing. Unless I find the main character absolutely heinous (and that hasn’t happened yet), I’ll usually give an author a couple of books to hook me in a new series. But usually by the end of book two, I’ll know if I want to keep giving the author another chance.
by Julie Hurwitz October 27th, 2010 at 6:54 pmJulie, the one series I can’t even start, in print, is the Dexter series…can’t wrap my head around a serial killer as a hero for some reason.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pmI have favorite authors, if they write a series, I’m going to buy the series. If I really like the author, I’m going to buy every book she’s ever written, (I have all of yours). I haven’t read the mystery series yet, but I have them. When I’m ready, I’ll start and you’ll hear from me. I’m not a good reviewer, I never know what to write, so I don’t. If I like the book, I guess I should just write that. But some people go into detail and I’m not good at that. I like your way of writing. But I’m prejudice, cause we live in the same state and I know about some of the stuff your writing about, (in the western’s) so as your my favorite auther, I’ll follow you anywhere. Good Luck and Keep those books coming!!!
by Tiss October 27th, 2010 at 6:59 pmThanks Tiss, you’re sweet
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 7:40 pmIf I have an author that I really love their books I will read anything they write or at least give it a try usually more then one of the books too!
by Quilt Lady October 27th, 2010 at 8:53 pmI’m really liking these responses!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:31 pmUnless I absolutely hated the first one meaning really did not like nor would recommend, I always give a second book of a series a chance, even usually the third book too. The first is always the preliminary outline, the second usually filling in information then by the third you should be fully involved!
by Diane Sadler October 27th, 2010 at 9:20 pmGood plan, Diane!
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 9:30 pmI am always willing to give an author that I am intrigued by a shot. Frame of mind at the time of reading really does play into how I (and most people I would gather) will receive a new story. As far as the crossing genres thing: I have certain authors that I love (Sherrilyn Kenyon, for example) that write genres that i don’t relate to (i.e. historical). here paranormal and suspense – love it. Richelle Mead – I love her young adult, fantasy and paranormal. I had no idea that you had another genre – i am excited! I have to say that i blew through the Rough Riders series in under 2 months (if i get obssessed with a series I have to read as much as is out from start to finish). What a great series – i have to commend you on your ability to bring real emotion and heart (and smoking hot scenes!0 to life on the page. Can’t wait to check out your other series’!
by Cathy C. October 27th, 2010 at 9:44 pmThanks so much Cathy, I’m glad you loved the RR series and blew through them fast. Now you gotta wait for new installments like everyone else.
I hope you give the mystery series a try.
by Lori Armstrong October 27th, 2010 at 10:25 pmLori, you’re an amazing author no matter what you write.
I either love an author or don’t love an author. There might be books within a series I don’t like as much, but if I normally like the author I’ll always give them another shot, even if they change direction.
by Allison Brennan October 27th, 2010 at 10:46 pmThanks, Allison, that means a lot coming from you
by Lori Armstrong October 28th, 2010 at 7:14 amHi Lori/Lorelei -
Yes, I’d give a new series a try (more than one book) by an author I’ve read & liked.
Lea Ellen {night owl in IL}
by Lea-Ellen {night owl in IL} October 28th, 2010 at 1:39 amLea-Ellen, thanks for popping over here and weighing in!
by Lori Armstrong October 28th, 2010 at 7:15 amYes. If it’s a author i really love and love their work i’ll give it a fair shake at least 2 books. In some cases even more if i am a big fan. I recetnly did that too. I didn’t care for teh first 2 books in a series but decided to try one more and it was alot better and was glad i kept at it.
Lisa B
by Lisa B October 28th, 2010 at 5:10 amI love that “sticking with it” seems to be a theme among readers, Lisa.
by Lori Armstrong October 28th, 2010 at 7:19 amIf it’s from an author I love, I’ll give a new fiction series a fair shake. I try to treat each series as it’s own “world,” even if they are set in a similar time/place. There is only one author I love that I wasn’t able to give a fair shake for her new series. I read all of her historical romance books and loved them. She then wrote a fantasy series and after reading the first book I couldn’t buy any more. I was so confused by the world she created. She’s extremely descriptive/detailed (in particular with clothes and food) and while it worked in her historical books it did not translate to the fantasy series. It made the book difficult to read because I couldn’t imagine what anything looked like since she had made so much of it up. I reread the book a year or so later because I wanted to like it and give it a fair shake. But I had the same issues and just couldn’t bring myself to buy the next in the series.
by savonna October 28th, 2010 at 6:42 amIt’s unfair to expect different series to be identical. When I pick up a book, series or not, by a favorite author the only thing that I really expect is the quality of the writing/crafting of the story. And I have to say L, that you consistently put out the highest quality writing (particularly in a series) that I’ve ever come across. You don’t disappoint and I’m always on pins and needles waiting for the next story you’ll gift us with!!
Oh, wow, Savonna, thanks so much! That gets me all teary-eyed — and I can’t wait for CDC to come out because some days you guys keep me going
by Lori Armstrong October 28th, 2010 at 7:18 amI will almost always try a first book of a new series, my problems sometime occur in the subsequent books not living up to the quality of the first book (never the case with you, btw!!!). My theory is that some authors just can’t write “fast” well, and shouldn’t try to get so many books out. I don’t ever think that with your books. =)
by Robin Lang October 28th, 2010 at 9:50 amThank you Robin, as always your thoughtful words are so heartfelt and come right when I need them!
by Lori Armstrong October 28th, 2010 at 12:03 pmYes I definitely give a new series by a favorite author a fair shake. I love to read and love series books so bring it on!
by Joyce October 28th, 2010 at 7:01 pmThanks, Joyce!
by Lori Armstrong October 30th, 2010 at 10:51 amI always gravitate towards familiar authors and will pick up a new one from them first, but it doesn’t take away from the fact that I also love finding new authors and new books
by Jolene Allcock October 30th, 2010 at 6:57 pmYes I will follow my favorite authors no matter the genre (even if I usually don’t read that genre)!
by Terri October 31st, 2010 at 2:05 amI have to agree with most of the above comments, When I find an author that I enjoy I read all of their works. I have read all the Lorelei James books that are on her website and I look forward to each new book. I love series but an author can get bored and if she does then the reader will too. A good author does not write for the money alone, she/he writes because they have a story to tell. Lori is a Great Author
by Judy K Hill November 1st, 2010 at 9:03 am