 | 7 Apr 10 |
I’m a huge SUPERNATURAL fan. The two main characters, brothers Sammy and Dean…well, they’re fab actors and yummy to watch, just standing there looking forlorn. Or being funny. Or fretting about saving the world. I love the storylines, even the whacked out ones that sometimes don’t make a lot of sense. I suspend my disbelief and settle in for an hour of entertainment. I also get a huge kick out of the fact the license plate on Dean’s beloved car has an old South Dakota style license plate. I feel a little smug…like an insider, because Bobby’s house, a sort of home base for the boys, is also in South Dakota. And yeah, I know people who have that much crap surrounding them, used cars, dead farm equipment and just plain junk piled around their houses. When you live in a place with lots of wide open spaces, you tend to use that space. So I suspect one or more of the writers is–or was at one time–a fellow South Dakotan. Either that or they are making fun of us after a trip through my beloved state.
So imagine my excitement when I saw the previews for SUPERNATURAL last week and Sammy and Dean were Zombie hunting in South Dakota. Sioux Falls, South Dakota to be precise. (Quick geography lesson – Rapid City, where I live, is in western South Dakota, 60 miles from the Wyoming border, the population is around 80,000 and we’re the 2nd largest city in the state. Sioux Falls, is in eastern South Dakota, about 20 miles from the Minnesota border, population roughly 150,000 and it’s the largest city in the state). Opening scene: Sammy and Dean are sitting in a diner in Sioux Falls. I’m thinking, wow, this is cool, that really does look like the railcar diner that’s in downtown Sioux Falls. From the scant info from the paper they decide to investigate.
Next scene, they’re in the cemetery. And there’s no snow. There are green plants. Green grass. Green trees with LEAVES for godsake. Leaves? All the trees are completely bare right now.
And did I mention no snow? In Sioux Falls, South Dakota, in February? None on the streets, sidewalks, houses.
I began to get very suspicious and a little ticked off. Did these writers not do their research? How could they set a story in the winter, in South Dakota, and skirt the weather issue? And especially when dealing with graves, and Zombies climbing from them, when the ground is rock hard and completely frozen? What was up with the sheriff “rounding up the townspeople” to save them from the Zombie threat? Really? They were going to put 150,000 residents in the Minnehaha County jail? When the state pen is in Sioux Falls and even it can’t hold that many people?
Doesn’t anyone fact check these days? Why in the hell didn’t the writers do their research?
Ah. There it is. The old research question all writers have to deal with at some point. Never mind this is a fictional story. Never mind I can overlook the fact the plot is about ZOMBIES, when you’re on my turf, I expect you to get it right. Even down to the most minute detail, such as Bobby being called the “town drunk” – oh really? Everyone in a city the size of Sioux Falls “knows” Bobby Singer is the town drunk?
So, yes, maybe I was being a little ridiculous by the end of the program, by pick, pick, picking everything apart, down to the detail they weren’t wearing winter gloves. And again, I could overlook the fact they were hunting Zombies, but not the fact there was no snow in the graveyard.
Setting is crucial to my books. In fact, I’ve been told that the South Dakota setting is its own character in my mysteries and I strive very hard to get it right. Especially for people who haven’t been here. I want readers to experience the sensation of your breath freezing in your lungs when the wind chill is twenty-five degrees below zero day. Or the sting of dust in a windstorm on the prairie in the heat of summer. All things that make my state/setting come alive.
CSI technical mistakes aside, have you read a book, watched a movie, or a TV show that gets your part of the country completely wrong?
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Lori G. Armstrong left the firearms industry in 2000. Her first mystery novel, BLOOD TIES, published in 2005, was nominated in 2006 for a Shamus Award for Best First Novel by the Private Eye Writers of America. The second book in the Julie Collins mystery series, HALLOWED GROUND, released Nov. 2006, was nominated for a 2007 Shamus Award for Best Paperback Original, a Daphne du Maurier Award and won the 2007 WILLA Cather Literary Award for Best Original Softcover Fiction. SHALLOW GRAVE, released in Nov. 2007, was nominated for a 2008 High Plains Book Award, a Daphne du Maurier Award and was a finalist for the 2008 WILLA Cather Literary Award. The fourth book, SNOW BLIND, released in Oct. 2008, won the 2009 Shamus Award, from the Private Eye Writers of America, for Best Paperback Original. Lori is a proud fourth generation South Dakotan and lives in Rapid City with her family.
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by Lori Armstrong » Blog Archive » Suspending Disbelief April 7th, 2010 at 8:09 amOh my gosh, that can be annoying! I can’t name a specific book or movie or TV show at the moment as regards to setting. But, I got a little annoyed at 24 a week or so ago. I hate when they have a shooter hit every single target (even when he’s running and scarcely looking back) and then a cop/agent can’t hit the side of a barn when stopped and aiming carefully! OR when four guys, all decked out in SWAT garb–including bulletproof vests, go down by the above said shooter on the run. And Jack only gets bruised ribs when he is shot while wearing the same kind of vest! Puleeze! (But I still love Jack!)
by Debra Webb April 7th, 2010 at 8:25 amI know, Debra, you wouldn’t think that cops…oh, have to pass marksmanship tests or anything, but bad guys – wahoo! are they great shots – LOL
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 10:16 amWhen we first left Los Angeles for Miami, we used to love to watch CHiPs and laugh at how they could get from San Pedro to Mullholland Drive in 10 minutes. At least TV can show pictures, though.
I love reading Connelly and Crais because they put me right back in LA — to the point where I’m telling Elvis Cole to turn left so he’ll drive by my old house.
by Terry Odell April 7th, 2010 at 9:07 amTerry, I LOVE Robert Crais’ LA – love it. When I was there, my LA publicist is also his publicist, so she “showed” me where Elvis lived
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 10:17 amReally? You love SUPERNATURAL? OMG, what about the last episode when Sam and Dean are shot and killed in the first two minutes? My daughters and I are glued to the set. I have all seasons (except the first) on iTunes. I have the DVD collection for the first season. I love this show. And this so perfectly segues into my planned blog for tomorrow.
re: setting–see, I wouldn’t know all that about SD. Was it really Sioux Falls? But if it was Sacramento, I would have been all over them for exactly the same thing–setting–so I can completely understand your frustration.
I read a book years ago that completely frustrated me. I still love the author, so I’m not going to give it away, but there was something that no editor or copyeditor caught. I’ve made mistakes in books, and copyeditors have made mistakes in my books that have seen their way into print, so I am very forgiving about most errors. Not so much this one:
The book was about a sister with problems of her own (I forget what) trying to find her sister, a minister at a small church in another state. The story is very good (romantic suspense) and I’m totally into it. Then the heroine or the cops (I can’t remember which) go into the caretakers house and find a bible totally torn up, pages all over the room. The character recognizes the Gospel of John and the Gospel of Thomas . . . okay, I’m intrigued now because I’m thinking This Is A Major Clue. Why? Because the Gospel of Thomas is a gnostic gospel, not part of the recognized Christian bible. So it’s on my mind . . . (the missing girl is a minister after all!)
Then . . . nothing. No reference to the gnostic gospel. Nothing that led to the killer or motive. I was pissed off. Not just because no one who read it noticed that the gospel was wrong.
Now, I don’t generally blame the author. I have made mistakes (or the copyeditor) which I changed that never got changed on the galleys; or I’ve found errors in the galleys that didn’t get changed (or got changed wrong) and got printed. In one book, my editor added a detail about a character in the copyedits and it made it to the page proofs and was WRONG (a major error that I wouldn’t have made) and I fixed it, but it was close. What if I missed it? What if the production manager missed it?
Mistakes happen. But this was a major mistake, IMO, because it affected how I enjoyed the book.
by Allison Brennan April 7th, 2010 at 9:34 am(As soon as I saw the word SUPERNATURAL, I knew Allison was going to be happy.
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by toni mcgee causey April 7th, 2010 at 9:55 amToni Toni Toni — you REALLY need to watch it
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 7:10 pmI’m going to Netflix it, now that I can get whole seasons at a time. Or iTunes it. Something good to watch while on my treadmill. (Though I am not a big fan of horror stuff. Is there a lot of horror stuff? Like gruesome? Bloody? Gory?)
by toni mcgee causey April 7th, 2010 at 9:03 pmI have all the seasons on DVD so I can rewatch them
by Lori Armstrong April 8th, 2010 at 8:33 amI ADORE Supernatural. And yes, where they died and went to heaven? Or their version of heaven? And learned they’d died many times before. Sigh. We cried when he threw the necklace away at the end. Cried buckets.
And I have mistakes in my books too, Allison, I think everyone one does, and some I’m easy to forgive, but another author I read set the book in Cheyenne WY, again, in the winter, and she put a palm tree out on her apartment patio. Uh-huh. In Feb. In Cheyenne. Right. So anything else from that book forward I cried bullshit, pretty loud.
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 10:20 amWell, most movies and books get their portrayal of Louisiana at least a little, if not all, wrong. Unless the folks behind it are from Louisiana. That’s why Toni McGee Causey makes me so happy!
by Becky LeJeune April 7th, 2010 at 9:39 amAw. thank you, Becky!
I was just about to say the same thing about Louisiana. I can’t think of a single movie that got it right, not all of it. Occasionally, they’ll get some parts okay, but dear God, spare me the attempts at the Cajun accent. (Sookie’s stuff sounds like Georgia, to me. Not north Louisiana, where it’s set. And there was one character on the first shows that did sound Cajun, but I can’t remember his name. Side character.)
I had a huge dilemma when writing Bobbie Faye — I originally had some of book 1 set in New Orleans. (The chase was going to go across the state and culminate in N.O.) Then Katrina happened in the middle of that book and wiped out everything I was going to use, and I had no idea if any of it was going to be salvaged or come back remotely as before. So, being a quick thinker, I switched the finale to Lake Charles. Which then got hit by Hurricane Rita, which flooded all of the stuff I was going to use and shut down two of the businesses I’d mentioned.
What I ended up doing was fictionalizing Lake Charles a little bit, because honestly, I didn’t know what was going to survive the economic downturn that was the results of the hurricanes *or* the damage. I moved things around as needed, used some real stuff, put a marina where I wanted it, and then put a note in the front of the book to the residents that I knew I’d moved things around and I was very very sorry about that, but that I put everything back when I was done.
I hated not being able to name really specific places and get it exactly right, for that place in time. But everything was changing as I wrote it, so I had to go with what I could do.
For the most part, I have a special place in Hell reserved for Adam Sandler for Water Boy, which was just so offensive, I couldn’t believe no one stopped him. If he’d have substituted any other ethnicity for the Cajuns that he portrayed as so backward and unclean and road-kill-eating… well, there would have been an uproar.
Crais definitely gets Louisiana right, too. When he set Voodoo River here, I was impressed, and then I learned he was born here, which explained a lot.
by toni mcgee causey April 7th, 2010 at 10:06 amI agree, Becky, Viva La Toni
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 10:21 amViva la Toni!
by Allison Brennan April 7th, 2010 at 1:19 pmLOL. Y’all made my day.
by toni mcgee causey April 7th, 2010 at 9:04 pmOh my yes – not too many people set novels in rural Missouri, because, really, what’s the benefit? I mean it’s not like there’s a whole readership out there clamoring for more of it. I doubt many editorial meetings feature editors frantically sifting through their project for the next Rolla, MO hit.
But if someone *does* throw in a Missouri reference, it absolutely must ring true or I get all twitchy-defensive.
I have this one Stella scene where she is watching Good Morning America, looking for someone holding a sign identifying them as coming from MO. Because that would be a point for the home team. And you know what? I do that. I’m always on the lookout for a fellow Missourian making her mark on the world, and when she does, I want everyone to know about it!
by sophie littlefield April 7th, 2010 at 10:13 amSo, Sophie, do you pronounce it – Miss-our-i or Miz-ur-a?
Curious, wondered if it was a dialect thing.
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 10:22 amIt’s Missou-ree for us, but then again i had east-coast-born parents.
by sophie littlefield April 7th, 2010 at 1:58 pmOh yes, I love Supernatural and the two bro’s are soo yummy. I know what ya mean when it comes to some countrysides you know or saw on some photos before and in the movie scene it’s completely different. Like you said about South Dakota there are sides of the landscape that’s just only there and no where else. Last time it happened when I watched Gilmore Girls and it’d been winter. The snow was lying on the green leaves and flowers. Okay, I know they’re filming it in California and there’s no snow, but anyway, I saw it….
although I’d better like it real.
by Sabine April 7th, 2010 at 10:13 amBut German movies are absolutely more worse than that little accident there. I don’t like watchin’ german “home made” shows or movies, is making me so boring and sleepy…. I love watching international movies, like I am reading no german books. I just don’t like it because I know this country since I’m child.
When I am reading your books, on time No Mercy, I can completely see the landscape, feel it like I’d be there. It’s so different, everything is so different and so interesting, makes me feeling being a part of it and I’d know it since childhood. Although I wasn’t in the US before but when I am reading the books or just watching tv, it’s like I am living there.
I absolutely can’t wait to fly over and one of my sightseeing tours will definitely be South Dakota and the historien places there.
(Hope my English is good enough to understand what I mean :d , reading is easier than writing…)
It’s just, for me everything outside Europe is special and because of this I’ll oversee the mistakes in the movies
Just let me say this: No Mercy and your other books are making me feel home and that’s absolutely great to feel, so thank you Lori, I love your books!
Oh, thanks so much Sabine! I’m thrilled you’re loving the books. We get lots of tourists and I’d love for you to see our great state
One thing that foreigners don’t understand, especially those from Europe, is the vast distances between major metro areas. In Europe you can drive 3 hours and be in 3 or 3 different countries. Here, if I drive 3 hours…I’m still in South Dakota. If I drive another 3 hours…I’m still in South Dakota.
A woman I know married a man from London and his family was coming for a visit, flying into Minneapolis. They were driving to Rapid City and wondered if they could hit the Mall of America in the morning and Mt. Rushmore at night, and then Yellowstone the next morning, not realizing it’s a 10 hour drive from Minneapolis to Rapid City, and another 10 hour drive from Rapid City to Yellowstone…
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 10:27 amOh I know what ya mean. When we are driving three hours West I am in France, three hours South it’s Austria or Switzerland and the other directions four hours it’s Denmark or Poland. Everything sticks together
It’s fast to go there but for us it seems like hours.
by Sabine April 7th, 2010 at 10:33 amSo guess when we fly over we need to rent a RV and plan more than three weeks for our round trip.
Your English is great Sabine, and yes, I would map out your destinations, especially if you’re coming to the Wild West part of the US
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 10:46 amLiving in a unique part of the U.S. it is funny to see it shown or portrayed as similar ro Az. which is totally incorrect.
by anne April 7th, 2010 at 10:15 amAnne, where do you live?
One thing I did love, the scenery from Brokeback Mountain wasn’t filmed in WY, but it sure could’ve been
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 10:28 amWhen I read a book set anywhere I’ve lived, I think I go on alert to see if they got it right. Not to look for mistakes, but because if it’s done well, it’s fun to read about a place you know.
The example that pops into my head right now is the movie Transformers 2. The group is in the Udvar-Hazy Air & Space museum near Dulles airport in Virginia, and they walk through hangar doors into The Boneyard (where airplanes go to die) in Tucson, Arizona. Huh?
by Gwen Hernandez April 7th, 2010 at 10:41 amGwen, I wonder how many other people picked up on that?
I’ll admit I liked the first Transformers movie, but the second one…I could not WAIT for it to be over, so I didn’t pay attention!
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 10:47 amI’m betting if I hadn’t lived in both places, I never would have noticed.
by Gwen Hernandez April 7th, 2010 at 10:59 amSame thing with Mt Rushmore in National Treasure 2 — there was a LAKE on top of Mt. Rushmore. We’re all like…really?
But they filmed here and just took artistic license so they’re forgiven
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 1:52 pmI love reading books set in my part of the country, I think I try to see if they get it right! It doesn’t have to be perfect but close works for me!
by Quilt Lady April 7th, 2010 at 11:00 amThat’s one of my favorite things to hear is that I *did* get it right, and people like to read my books because I put in real places.
It’s cool when someone who used to live here contacts me and thanks me for bringing our slice of the world to them via the written word
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 1:53 pmThat really can be annoying. When you know the area so well and you know they are getting it wrong. Really if you dont want to do the research, than make up a fake town. In a fake town you can do whatever you want. I feel that if you set it in a real location than you should try to get some of the facts right. Its awesome to read a book where the author obviously did the research then go to the place and recognize it.
by Donna S April 7th, 2010 at 12:22 pmDonna, I have fictional counties in all my series, but I do put certain real elements in.
It’s tempting to “info dump” so people understand I live here!
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 1:54 pmAs a native of south Louisiana, a big “Thanks” to Becky and Toni for explaining how abused that great little part of the world is in books, movies and TV. Toni gets it right. So do Robert Crais and James Lee Burke. But they’re all from that area. It is frequently insulting the way Cajuns are misrepresented–as if everyone who’s ever dined on “blackened anything” is an authority!
P.S. Blackened anything is not authentically Cajun. Many folks familiar enough would call it a mistake to do that to food.
by GSM April 7th, 2010 at 12:56 pmSometimes those misperceptions are damn hard to live down, so I applaud authors who take the time to get it right, and make it real!
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Thank you!
by toni mcgee causey April 7th, 2010 at 9:06 pmI hear you! So last night hubby and I were watching Parenthood which is set in Berkeley, which is in Alameda County. A county I have knowledge of. There is a scene where a couple of kids were being dropped off at school, with a Marin School District bus in the background! Hello, Marin is across the bay and a whole ‘nuther county! I was not happy. It jarred me out of the show reminding me it was all fiction.
So, the only way I can forgive is if I missed an episode where the one character moved across the bay, which would explain her dropping her ids off in the Marin school district. But, um, I don’t think she did.
by Karin Tabke April 7th, 2010 at 1:06 pmROFLOL. I’ve seen that movie a hundred times (are you talking about the movie???) and don’t remember that. Or is this a tv show? I’m confused :/
by Allison Brennan April 7th, 2010 at 1:21 pmnew tv series by ron howard and grazier.
by Karin Tabke April 7th, 2010 at 1:47 pmMistakes aside, Karin, would you recommend this TV show?
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 1:57 pmLori i’m really enjoying it. one of the sub threads last night was faking orgasms. hilarious!
by Karin Tabke April 7th, 2010 at 3:09 pmI am SO glad I’m not the only one that gets pissy when that happens, Karin.
However, do you find your family doesn’t want to watch TV with you anymore??
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 1:56 pmI once read a historical (I can’t remember the year but it was in the 1800′s) that had a character travel through Thunder Bay, ON Canada. Thunder Bay didn’t get that name until the late 1960′s or early 1970′s. I guess if you’re writing a historical book, you should use a historical map.
by chey April 7th, 2010 at 1:19 pmChey, someone told me they recently read a historical where the hero says, “Is that your final answer?” and she couldn’t get Regis Philbin out of her head
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 1:57 pmOne reason I decided to start setting my books in Sacramento is because I made a huge mistake with Seattle, where I’ve been a couple times but have little knowledge of. It proved to me that maps are not perfect, and while I might get some of the big stuff right, natives will kill me on the details. San Diego I was more comfortable writing about because I’d been there many, many times (albeit years ago) that I had a good feeling for the area, and I avoided too many small details and the small details I needed I found someone who lived there to help
At the same time, I’m not a purist about setting because it’s fiction, as long as they don’t make major changes like put the Golden Gate Bridge in Los Angeles or the Raiders playing in Dodger Stadium . . .
by Allison Brennan April 7th, 2010 at 1:24 pmI’m always afraid I’d get something wrong, so I’m pretty boring I write the setting I know…and when I’ve ventured out of SD and WY, I set stuff in Colorado or Nebraska.
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 2:59 pmMovies or TV that have all of MN using the same dialec/accent used in “Fargo.” I may say “you betcha” once or twice a year – but that’s all!
by Karen B April 7th, 2010 at 2:04 pmKaren, I have a friend from North Dakota who says “Uffda” all the time. I think it’s cute
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 2:58 pmI live in KY and I often roll my eyes at the way that people are portrayed.
by CrystalGB April 7th, 2010 at 3:11 pmCrystal, my new favorite show is set in Kentucky – Justified. Have you seen it?
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 7:12 pmOh don’t even get me started, Lori! My pet peeve about this is the TNT series “Saving Grace.” I…where do I even start? And the freakin’ producer/writer grew up in Oklahoma! Not one thing about that show smacks of it’s alleged setting. (Especially since the first season was shot exclusively in Canada!) Then there was the naming of the characters based on cities and towns in the state. Pah-lease! I haven’t watched the series since.
I’m anal when it comes to settings, both in my writing and in my reading/viewing. I love your books because you USE the setting as another character. I can see it/feel it/smell it in your writing. And that’s one reason I read–to get a sense of places I may never visit but want to.
Okay. Time for more coffee and to get my blood pressure under control. LOL
by Silver James April 7th, 2010 at 3:46 pmAw, thanks Silver, really, that means a lot.
I’ve had a lot of people to tell me to watch Saving Grace because they say the main character is a kick ass female, but there aren’t enough hours in the day…
I confess, I’m interested to read Lee Child’s new book because it’s set in South Dakota.
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 7:14 pmThe one that always gets my friend Lee upset is that in San Francisco they don’t have detectives, they are inspectors. When some book or tv show gets that one wrong she goes ballistic. It is such a small detail to check out. Every PD is set up differently, do some checking.
by Jill James April 7th, 2010 at 4:06 pmi judged a contest entry where the author had a homicide detective in SF who drove a red corvette on the job.
by Karin Tabke April 7th, 2010 at 4:29 pmOne time I sent Karin’s husband an email questioning whether cops really called them “perps” — you know, I wanna get the lingo right!
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 7:12 pmJill, exactly. Because of jurisdictional issues with the FBI, the BIA, the Dept. of the Interior, I always make sure I’m not putting a body some place that breaks all the rules.
by Lori Armstrong April 8th, 2010 at 8:35 amAccents are the thing that makes me crazy. That’s where you can really tell regional differences, I think. I remember a book by an east coast writer and she had all these women in Texas talking about leaving their pocketbooks (their purses) here and there. I have never heard a Texan refer to a purse as a pocketbook. It’s a small detail, but if you’re from a place you notice when people don’t use the regional terminology.
by Laura Griffin April 7th, 2010 at 4:29 pmAgreed, that’s why I”m curious about how “locals” pronounce something.
When we lived in Texas, the slang was “Would you carry me across town” and we’re like…What? But it meant drive.
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 7:16 pmI love hearing different slangs but at some german areas I just don’t understand what the guys mean. South German (Bavarian) or Austrian slang is easy but when it comes to Cologne or North or East Germany (like the ex GDR) you can definitely forget my help for translating. Even if it’s everywhere talked german, I just can’t understand it.
by Sabine April 8th, 2010 at 3:59 amReading the different accents in your books is cool, I love it!
Lori, ironic that you did this post now. In the book I’m working on, I just redrew the map of the “strip” in Las Vegas, adding a couple hotels and a street to the “real” thing. I have a reason, and I plan to write a forward warning readers that I took a few liberties with Vegas. But this is a worry for me and you really hit the reason why!
Oh, and I’m putting Vegas back the way it was as soon as I’m done
by Jen Lyon April 7th, 2010 at 5:06 pmJen, everyone wants to take liberties with Vegas – LOL – and I think it’s great, as long as the author gives a disclaimer.
In my Julie Collins series, I set Bear Butte, an actual Indian holy place, in a different county, but I made sure I mentioned in in the authors notes…
by Lori Armstrong April 7th, 2010 at 7:17 pmGeez, I haven’t watched Supernatural in a long time. I’m from Missouri too! I live in St. Joseph, the start of the Pony Express and the place where Jesse James was killed. Books and TV mess it up all of the time. Some people believe that Jesse James really wasn’t killed then because of false information. ERRRRRR!
by Lisa G April 7th, 2010 at 9:35 pmLisa – you’re missing out!
We did a Jesse James commemorative gun when I worked in the gun business and was it ever popular.
I fear Sandra Bullock’s husband has tainted the name forever…
by Lori Armstrong April 8th, 2010 at 8:34 amdon t watch supernautral
by kh April 11th, 2010 at 2:02 amcan t think of a one
but it happens