My daughter is always cautioning me not to go making friends online…but when I met Carla Buckley through the International Thriller Writers, I just couldn’t resist. She’s funny and sass-mouthed and smart, and when I picked up her debut novel, THE THINGS THAT KEEP US HERE, I was bowled over. It somehow manages to scare the pants off you and make you want to have coffee with the main character all at the same time.
Since then, when none of my usual procrastination techniques are working, I sometimes bug Carla. My emails are usually a variation of “I’m boorrrrreeeed, entertain me”. Meanwhile she’s trying to get her words done, poor thing. The other day I pretended I was interviewing her so she wouldn’t un-friend me…here’s the result:
Sophie: So Carla, tell me about potato chips.
Carla: I can’t really trace when my love affair with potato chips began, but it might have been back when Pringles first hit the supermarket shelves. The concept of chips in a tube was beguiling. All you had to do was uncap the container and tip the chips into the palm of your hand. No fuss, no muss. And best of all, no nasty rustling of a bag to let everyone know you’re stuffing your face with junk food. Although, when you think of it, potato chips aren’t really unhealthy. After all, they come from potatoes, which is a vegetable. Much as Raisinettes can be considered fruit.
Nowadays, I fortify my long days at the computer with a bag of Kettle Black Pepper and Salt potato chips by my side. They give me that carb and salty rush the way nothing else can, and the only downside is that I have to shake my keyboard from time to time to dislodge the crumbs.
Let me ask you this, Sophie. Have you ever fired a gun?
Sophie: As a matter of fact, for my birthday this summer my family is sending me to the Writers’ Police Academy so that I can learn to shoot all kinds of things. This will be the first time I even touch a real gun, as well as the first time I will get to try handcuffing, prison searches, and accident reconstruction. My favorite phrase from the brochure is “Touch, feel, hold, see, and wear actual police equipment.” Yowza!!
After A BAD DAY FOR SORRY came out, I received letters from a number of nice ladies who wanted to tell me about their personal gun collections. Seein’ as we’re fellow collectors and all.
I know you got to talk to some actual scientists and stuff when you were writing THE THINGS THAT KEEP US HERE. Are those guys (and gals) hard to understand? Are they really boring?
Carla: You know what, I think I’m supposed to be signed up for that same course! No lie. Do you think they’ll have to take out extra hazard insurance, seeing as we’ll both be there at the same time?
I love talking to scientists (and no, I’m not just saying that because I’m married to one) even though I’m a confirmed non-scientist. I’m not really sure what a Bunsen burner is, only that it should be capitalized. But because my novel’s about an influenza pandemic and one of my protagonists is a scientist monitoring it in the field, I had to get up to speed on a few fronts. Maybe more than a few fronts (see Bunsen burner, above.) The scientists I interviewed are passionate about their work, and I think anytime you interview someone who really knows their stuff and is eager to share it, you’re ahead by a country mile. For example, when I asked one of them whether he thought we’d experience a pandemic during our lifetime, his response was sobering. “It’s not a question of if,” he said. “It’s a question of when.”
Yikes!
I love the title of your book, by the way. Where did it come from?
Sophie: Ha! That title came from deep in the dark recesses of my brain…so deep and so dark that I don’t even remember writing it.
See, what happened was that I came up with the one and only title of my lifetime that I ever loved: DRINK IT BITTER. Isn’t that nice? Isn’t it evocative and weighty and wouldn’t it look great in shiny embossed lettering?
Well, the nice folks at St. Martin’s/Thomas Dunne didn’t really think a whole lot of that title. Let’s have a few more ideas, they said, so I painstakingly wrote up a handful. Nope. Ha ha ha. They wanted a few more. Send us a dozen, how about. So it went, back and forth like a dispirited slobbery tennis ball the dog ate. In the end I wrote over forty titles. I was desperate; my mentor had me looking in the bible and old country lyrics for ideas. I have no memory of ever writing A BAD DAY FOR SORRY and fear it might have been an envelope scrawl that meant something else entirely…perhaps a compendium of complaints about my damn teenagers (most mornings feature one or both of them making us late so there’s generally a chorus of “it’s gonna be a hell of a bad day for you if you don’t get your ass in the car, you’re gonna be awful sorry”).
Anyway. Ahem. The title finally passed muster with the high-ups and now it’s a whole thing. You know, like the second book is called A BAD DAY FOR PRETTY and so on. (Remind me to tell you what my agent suggested calling the third one. When no one else is listening.)
Holy smokes, that pandemic-in-our-lifetime comment was so scary I’m going to pretend I didn’t hear it! Hey, what did you do differently in THINGS than you did in all your prior books? (For those who don’t know, Carla and I are charter members of the very exclusive wrote-nine-books-before-getting-published club.)
Carla: As a dog-owner, I totally get that slobbery tennis ball image. Only in my case, because I have little dachshunds, it’s more like a teeny tiny rope Frisbee.
How cool is it that you were the one who came up with your title (even if it was maybe something you wrote in your sleep)! You’re going to be the Bad Day girl. I can see all sorts of amazing possibilities. You and I and your agent can get together and toss around a few. While we’re eating potato chips, which as I’ve said, earlier, fosters all sorts of brain activity.
You’re right, Sophie, I have a long, painful track record of writing novels that didn’t sell. It was sheer stubbornness that kept me going. As in, no matter how many times they tell me I can’t be a member of this club, I’m going to keep submitting applications. And smile really really big.
It’s not like I wasn’t trying. I stalked my agent until she succumbed. I attended conferences, joined writers’ groups, and went through four computers. I think what made the difference this time was giving up the rules and writing from my heart.
We had just moved to Ohio, where we knew no one, and the news was filled with warnings about how we were overdue for a flu pandemic. The particular virus scientists were monitoring (and still are) has a mortality rate of fifty percent–half the human population would die? So there I was, all alone, worried about how I was going to keep my family safe, given that I knew no one and had no support structure. The novel came from that deep dark place, unlike my other novels, which were more like mental exercises.
Can I flip the question around and ask you the same thing, oh great Sophie with the most awesome title and cover?
Sophie: Well yes ma’am. Only, my response is just a variation on yours. It’s that stubborn gene that you and I must possess in spades, plus one additional factor — writing actually makes me feel good.
Not always. Not when I’ve missed the obvious or made the rookie mistake again or accidentally written two chapters in third person when the rest of the book is in first person (that was the book I just turned in) or cut a scene that I was convinced was the only truly beautiful prose I ever wrote or reread dialog and it sounds like drunk ESL students talking about two different subjects….no, at those times it can be, erm, maybe a mite painful, even, to be a writer.
But most days? I sit down and I write my heart out and the things that are bothering me kind of flow into the words and dissipate without really leaving their outline on the page except for the most discerning readers. For instance, this week I am having a real struggle with a person who may or may not live in this house and may or may not believe that rules apply to every other person in on the planet except for him or her. When I reread my words from yesterday, I discovered that I had dealt with this person by turning him into a four-year-old who had visions of the undead. The connection may seem tenuous. Maybe you had to be there. But I salute you, o’ subconscious mind…you are a genius.
No way I’m giving that up. So every time I got a rejection, I just cuss a whole lot and keep going.
So I guess we’d better wrap this thing up, though I could go on talking to you for forty-eight straight hours…my final question is: what’s something you’d like to learn or try in the coming year, Carla, that has nothing at all to do with writing?
Carla: Wow, that’s a really great question. Ever since I signed my book contract, I’ve been so deep in writer mode (also known in this house as “the time Mom stopped making dinner”) that I haven’t even been thinking about non-writer-related things. So…huh. What would I want to learn or try? (taps fingers.) No, no, this is good. This is like therapy.
Still thinking.
Okay. I got it. I’d like to try being hypnotized. I’ve already got the name of someone in my area who’s supposed to be fantastic. Just think. She could help me remember to hand in school forms on time, and get over my fear of giant hairy spiders. She might even be able to help me address my potato chip addiction.
What about you?
Sophie: With you on the no-dinner thing. Well, I’m hoping 2010 is when they invent a cigarette that lowers your cholesterol and has no ill side effects because when they do I plan to smoke like a chimney. Barring that, this one friend of mine who writes young adult has been telling me about her pole dancing class and I got to say the idea of spinning around upside down by one’s feet is oddly compelling. No way I’m wearing heels or, you know, that other stuff though — I’d wear my comfy writing sweats.
Or maybe I’ll try to grow orchids.
So how about the rest of you all? What crazy, harebrained, misguided thing would you love to try? One commenter will receive a copy of Carla’s book, THE THINGS THAT KEEP US HERE.