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		<title>By: Allison Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy, you&#039;re right on the money about RWA providing an emotional connection. I think as women we need that give and take in interpersonal relationships, which I also think benefits us when we write outside or on the edge of the romance genre. Readers connect with characters first, cool plot and high stakes notwithstanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy, you&#8217;re right on the money about RWA providing an emotional connection. I think as women we need that give and take in interpersonal relationships, which I also think benefits us when we write outside or on the edge of the romance genre. Readers connect with characters first, cool plot and high stakes notwithstanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gregg, don&#039;t make me choke up. Thanks :) . . . and you rock, too. I wouldn&#039;t have mentored you if I didn&#039;t like and admire you! I really hope you can make it to Thrillerfest next year. I know we&#039;d have lots of fun!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregg, don&#8217;t make me choke up. Thanks <img src='http://www.murdershewrites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  . . . and you rock, too. I wouldn&#8217;t have mentored you if I didn&#8217;t like and admire you! I really hope you can make it to Thrillerfest next year. I know we&#8217;d have lots of fun!</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Kelly-Parrish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Kelly-Parrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 15:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Allison--I totally agree! I think there&#039;s room for both kinds of RS and I love and read both. Don&#039;t necessarily think that just because the suspense storyline is darker in one vs. the other that it means it&#039;s not still a romance at the core. 

Have a safe trip home from DC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Allison&#8211;I totally agree! I think there&#8217;s room for both kinds of RS and I love and read both. Don&#8217;t necessarily think that just because the suspense storyline is darker in one vs. the other that it means it&#8217;s not still a romance at the core. </p>
<p>Have a safe trip home from DC!</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Odell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Odell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 13:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Allison, what you said about thrillers revolving around &quot;high stakes&quot; agrees with everything I&#039;d heard.  Somewhere, there&#039;s a line between &#039;suspense&#039; and &#039;thriller&#039; -- I don&#039;t remember my algebra (or was it geometry) -- but it seems to me that &#039;all thrillers are suspense, but not all suspense are thrillers&#039; 

(Unless you&#039;re the publisher out to make sales!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Allison, what you said about thrillers revolving around &#8220;high stakes&#8221; agrees with everything I&#8217;d heard.  Somewhere, there&#8217;s a line between &#8216;suspense&#8217; and &#8216;thriller&#8217; &#8212; I don&#8217;t remember my algebra (or was it geometry) &#8212; but it seems to me that &#8216;all thrillers are suspense, but not all suspense are thrillers&#8217; </p>
<p>(Unless you&#8217;re the publisher out to make sales!)</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leslie, since RWA is in Nashville next year I&#039;ve been told by many that they are going because it&#039;s cheaper for them to get there. And because the two conferences aren&#039;t back-to-back, it&#039;s going to be easier for people to go to both. NYC is expensive, but if you room with someone it&#039;s not too bad.

NOW your comment about dark RS. Yes, I get some criticism from some readers who feel that my books are suspense and not romantic suspense. That&#039;s fine. It&#039;s their opinion. i&#039;m labelled romantic suspense because I write romantic suspense--there is a hero, heroine, relationship, and happily ever after. Yes, I write dark suspense stories over that relationship (as opposed to being a backdrop to the relationship) but the wonderful thing about RS is that it&#039;s a broad and thriving genre where you can have sexy, romance driven RS like the FABULOUS Roxanne St. Claire writes, and dark, scary, suspense driven RS like what I write.

You can not please all the readers all the time. The important thing is to please YOUR readers, and build from there. I think readers get more upset if you start writing like Rocki and then get darker and darker and end up writing like me. I don&#039;t think the tone of my books has changed in the 12 that I have written.

I&#039;d love to be a romantic thriller--but there is no designation in the computer. It needs to be conveyed in the back cover copy as well as the cover that the book is more a &quot;thriller&quot; than a traditional RS. But as long as you keep the story promise of a h/h moving to the next level in their relationship where the reader can buy that they can and will be together beyond the end of the book, I see it as an rs. (But, honestly, it&#039;s so driven by the market.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leslie, since RWA is in Nashville next year I&#8217;ve been told by many that they are going because it&#8217;s cheaper for them to get there. And because the two conferences aren&#8217;t back-to-back, it&#8217;s going to be easier for people to go to both. NYC is expensive, but if you room with someone it&#8217;s not too bad.</p>
<p>NOW your comment about dark RS. Yes, I get some criticism from some readers who feel that my books are suspense and not romantic suspense. That&#8217;s fine. It&#8217;s their opinion. i&#8217;m labelled romantic suspense because I write romantic suspense&#8211;there is a hero, heroine, relationship, and happily ever after. Yes, I write dark suspense stories over that relationship (as opposed to being a backdrop to the relationship) but the wonderful thing about RS is that it&#8217;s a broad and thriving genre where you can have sexy, romance driven RS like the FABULOUS Roxanne St. Claire writes, and dark, scary, suspense driven RS like what I write.</p>
<p>You can not please all the readers all the time. The important thing is to please YOUR readers, and build from there. I think readers get more upset if you start writing like Rocki and then get darker and darker and end up writing like me. I don&#8217;t think the tone of my books has changed in the 12 that I have written.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to be a romantic thriller&#8211;but there is no designation in the computer. It needs to be conveyed in the back cover copy as well as the cover that the book is more a &#8220;thriller&#8221; than a traditional RS. But as long as you keep the story promise of a h/h moving to the next level in their relationship where the reader can buy that they can and will be together beyond the end of the book, I see it as an rs. (But, honestly, it&#8217;s so driven by the market.)</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry, ITW doesn&#039;t have a definition of thriller on their website, and I&#039;m glad. A thriller is hard to define. What would be a thriller to me might not be to someone else. For example, I loved one book in an ITW contest that I thought was a perfect example of a thriller, and another person on my panel didn&#039;t. 

To me, a thriller is about pacing and stakes. They are page-turners in the truest sense, not just because it&#039;s a good story and you want to get to the end, but because you HAVE to find out what happens. The stakes are high--meaning, something important to the characters or the world is a stake IMMEDIATELY. There is little to no &quot;down time&quot; in terms of reflection by the characters, the description is generally relevant to the plot and not simply prose to set the stage or the the tone of the book. They have a faster &quot;feeling&quot; to them. Though I don&#039;t particularly like thrillers with NO lulls--I need my adrenaline to slow for awhile before it spikes!

BUT, ultimately, you&#039;re right in your comment to Leslie that publishers are using &quot;thriller&quot; more for marketing than anything else. Thrillers CAN be a romantic thriller (and I do think I write romantic thrillers, though I&#039;m sure some would disagree) or a medical thriller or a crime thriller or a legal thriller, etc. Also, you&#039;ll find that more male author get labeled as thriller and more female authors get labeled as romantic suspense or mystery. The female &quot;thriller&quot; label is relatively new in the marketplace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry, ITW doesn&#8217;t have a definition of thriller on their website, and I&#8217;m glad. A thriller is hard to define. What would be a thriller to me might not be to someone else. For example, I loved one book in an ITW contest that I thought was a perfect example of a thriller, and another person on my panel didn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>To me, a thriller is about pacing and stakes. They are page-turners in the truest sense, not just because it&#8217;s a good story and you want to get to the end, but because you HAVE to find out what happens. The stakes are high&#8211;meaning, something important to the characters or the world is a stake IMMEDIATELY. There is little to no &#8220;down time&#8221; in terms of reflection by the characters, the description is generally relevant to the plot and not simply prose to set the stage or the the tone of the book. They have a faster &#8220;feeling&#8221; to them. Though I don&#8217;t particularly like thrillers with NO lulls&#8211;I need my adrenaline to slow for awhile before it spikes!</p>
<p>BUT, ultimately, you&#8217;re right in your comment to Leslie that publishers are using &#8220;thriller&#8221; more for marketing than anything else. Thrillers CAN be a romantic thriller (and I do think I write romantic thrillers, though I&#8217;m sure some would disagree) or a medical thriller or a crime thriller or a legal thriller, etc. Also, you&#8217;ll find that more male author get labeled as thriller and more female authors get labeled as romantic suspense or mystery. The female &#8220;thriller&#8221; label is relatively new in the marketplace.</p>
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		<title>By: Allison Brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allison Brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:55:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry it took me so long to post! It&#039;s been a busy couple days . . . a busy two weeks, honestly!

Toni, we missed you, but hopefully we&#039;ll see each other again soon. If your friend is unpublished, honestly, though Thrillerfest would be a must (IMO), she&#039;ll learn more throughout the year from RWA through the local and online chapters. ITW doesn&#039;t have an active message board, and while people are helpful between conferences, it&#039;s usually (IMO) people that you&#039;ve met at a conference, bonded with, and you communicate with outside of the organization because of it.

Robert, I&#039;m amazed at how much I DIDN&#039;T know then that I know now, which tells me in three years, I&#039;ll be reflecting on how much I didn&#039;t know now . . . Toni and I were just talking about that conference, specifically the great restaurant and kalamata olive dip . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry it took me so long to post! It&#8217;s been a busy couple days . . . a busy two weeks, honestly!</p>
<p>Toni, we missed you, but hopefully we&#8217;ll see each other again soon. If your friend is unpublished, honestly, though Thrillerfest would be a must (IMO), she&#8217;ll learn more throughout the year from RWA through the local and online chapters. ITW doesn&#8217;t have an active message board, and while people are helpful between conferences, it&#8217;s usually (IMO) people that you&#8217;ve met at a conference, bonded with, and you communicate with outside of the organization because of it.</p>
<p>Robert, I&#8217;m amazed at how much I DIDN&#8217;T know then that I know now, which tells me in three years, I&#8217;ll be reflecting on how much I didn&#8217;t know now . . . Toni and I were just talking about that conference, specifically the great restaurant and kalamata olive dip . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Cohen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nancy Cohen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 09:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for your illuminating post. It&#039;s interesting that I&#039;ve noted some of those same differences between MWA and RWA. I consider myself a romance writer first, even though the bulk of my work is in the mystery genre. I feel closer to my romance colleagues for the emotional connection. That&#039;s what keeps me going through the highs and lows of this career.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your illuminating post. It&#8217;s interesting that I&#8217;ve noted some of those same differences between MWA and RWA. I consider myself a romance writer first, even though the bulk of my work is in the mystery genre. I feel closer to my romance colleagues for the emotional connection. That&#8217;s what keeps me going through the highs and lows of this career.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Kelly-Parrish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leslie Kelly-Parrish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, Terry! I have read Martha&#039;s books--she&#039;s great. I&#039;d probably consider them a cross between mystery/thriller, with romantic elements. But how on earth does a publisher tag that? lol!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Terry! I have read Martha&#8217;s books&#8211;she&#8217;s great. I&#8217;d probably consider them a cross between mystery/thriller, with romantic elements. But how on earth does a publisher tag that? lol!</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Odell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terry Odell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 00:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at a MWA meeting today, and author Martha Powers spoke about creating suspense. She said she doesn&#039;t consider the books she writes &#039;thrillers&#039; but said the publishers seem to be splashing that on all the covers as a marketing ploy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at a MWA meeting today, and author Martha Powers spoke about creating suspense. She said she doesn&#8217;t consider the books she writes &#8216;thrillers&#8217; but said the publishers seem to be splashing that on all the covers as a marketing ploy.</p>
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