 | 10 Mar 09 |
Few television shows have captivated me like Lost. I admit I’ve never missed an episode, not one – thanks to the world’s second best invention, DVR. (You want to know the first, don’t you? ) I also freely admit that most of the time, I don’t have a flippin’ clue what is really happening on that show. If you put a Glock to my head and said: explain the story or die…well, I’d ramble about a plane crash and time travel and lottery numbers and magnetic forces and a smoke monster and the Dharma Initiative. And then I’d hope to save my life by showing my attacker a picture of Sawyer.
Something like this.
The fact is, I don’t really understand what’s going on during many episodes of Lost, despite my loyal viewing. Oh, I think I do. Then my hour of happiness is over, and I stare at the Bad Robot (regular watchers will understand) after yet another brain-numbing hook or jarring emotional jolt or shocking revelation…and I realize that if I had to detail every plot point to someone, I couldn’t. Half the time, I don’t know if the story is in the past, present, future, or some whackadoo combination of all three; I don’t always know why the characters are doing what they are doing, or where they are, or if they even exist! Many nights I just take the ride, confused and compelled. I don’t care that I don’t always understand the story because I am so in love with those people that I’d follow them anywhere, through any portal to any time across any ocean with any number of unanswered questions.
And that’s the first of ten great lessons that any writer can learn from watching Lost. Even if you know these lessons already, as I like to think I do, watching this show, for me, is like a taking a master class in storytelling, where the fundamentals of “how to entertain” are demonstrated in every aspect of the writing, the directing, and the acting.
So here they are, gathered and considered after a few years of faithful viewing and far too many hours of reading the online Lostie forums, full of theories and speculation, hoping for some insight and explanation.
Ten Tips To Great Storytelling that I’ve gleaned from J. J. Abrams (a genius, I say) and the makers of Lost:
It’s the characters, stupid. Every character on the show is layered, rich, textured and believable. And they deliver consistent characterization week after week through the most subtle action, a single word, or a barely perceptible facial expression that communicates legions. Rarely does someone on Lost do something out of character, and if they do, there is a reason. They are the heart and soul of this – and any great – story.
Vary the pace, constantly. The use of pacing – the length of the scenes, the speed (or not) of the action arc, the blend of high drama, constant conflict, deep emotion, and smooth transitions – is a huge part of the Lost appeal. It’s almost impossible to get bored, and the creators of the show use this element to enthrall and excite. For me, this is the fastest hour on television, and not just because I record and forward through commercials.
There are few things as powerful as the unexpected twist. There are so many of these in Lost that viewers have come to expect them, to brace for them, and possibly be shocked when there isn’t a twist. No one does the flip-the-story-on-its-head technique better, in my opinion, throwing monkey wrenches into the plot, often slamming the characters as well as the viewers.
There’s nothing as delicious as a good love triangle. Or, as anyone saw last week, a love quadrangle. Not just because the viewer (or reader) cannot help but choose one “winner” and root for him or her, but because it is an absolutely fantastic way to blend conflict and sexual tension. (Can I just say that the look on Sawyer’s face when Kate showed up with Jack at the end of last Wednesday’s episode…priceless.)
Character redemption is irresistible. The trip from villain to hero is possibly the most compelling of all character arcs, and Lost has taken this journey repeatedly. And then, because of the nature of the show, they fling the poor character right back into villain territory without warning. We’re often faced with this challenge when we write series and connected books, and we all know that a redeemed villain-turned-hero is one of the most riveting (and challenging) devices in a novel.
Knowing when to reveal a plot point is as important as knowing what to reveal. There’s a fine line between contemplating a gripping story question and wanting to fling the remote in frustration. Suspense in the form of “who is this person and why are they doing this?” can only go on for so long, and knowing when to answer some of story questions so that the viewer finally understands something is truly an artform that Lost has mastered. (Although some would say that they weren’t always so good at this, and I’d agree.) Writers of romantic suspense face this dilemma all the time – when to dole out story revelations to the readers and other characters to create a high, long, complex story arc without losing credibility or tension. (A subset of this lesson: how to plant clues that are seemingly innocuous but later become major plot revelations.)
Avoid a rut by turning the storytelling on its head. Not the story, but how it is told. After several seasons of nothing but “present” and “past” (the Lost way of showing backstory and history), suddenly the viewers were thrust into the future. The cry on the Lostie forums was loud and clear – and the change was magnetic, instantly taking the show onto a higher plane. Whether it’s the sudden introduction of a new point of view, a totally different voice, or an unexpected setting change, we can always look for fresh ways to keep the reader awake and interested, and ways to make the storytelling technique more effective.
Never underestimate the impact of a surprising backstory. I think this was the first lesson I learned from Lost, and one that has really resonated in my own writing. In the early seasons of Lost, we were introduced to the flashback technique to reveal not just character history, but also believable and realistic motivations, and, of course, insight into their true conflict. Every time, the real backstory was a full one-eighty from what you’d expect it to be, adding to the depth of each character and, very often, turning someone from seemingly horrific to totally sympathetic, or vice versa.
Every character/actor is there for a reason. Regular viewers of Lost know there are plenty of “extras” in the story and on the island, numerous “Losties” and “Others” who pepper the screen week to week, but are there simply as background. Occasionally they will even have a line or two. Very often, they end up dead, and Lost fans have nicknamed those folks “red shirts” – and we’ve learned to sight them and expect an ambush. (But not always, because, hey, this is Lost.) But named characters have a significant reason for being in the story and everyone plays a role, and that’s a good rule to follow when writing a novel.
Hook ‘em and hang ‘em at the end of every scene. It is the rare scene in Lost that doesn’t end with a hook. Sometimes it’s small, sometimes it’s mind-blowing, but at the end of every scene and every episode, viewers have had something answered and another question posed. The hook leaves the viewer (and reader) wanting one thing: more.
So, the plain truth is, I’m not just watching every week for the glimpses of Sawyer sans shirt. I’m learning, too! Do you have a favorite show that’s taught you some writing lessons? I’d love to hear about it. And if you want to talk the show, we can start a Losties thread in the comments!
PS. Still want to know the best invention? Hmmm. I feel a book contest coming on. Best guess wins a copy of FRENCH TWIST from my backlist!
© 2009 Roxanne St. Claire. All rights reserved.
Roxanne St. Claire is a bestselling, RITA-Award winning author of twenty-four novels of romance and suspense. For the past several years, she's been writing a popular romantic suspense series called “The Bullet Catchers” for Pocket Star Books, featuring a cadre of bodyguards and security professionals. In 2010, she's launching a new series, "The Guardian Angelinos" focusing on an extended family of renegade crime fighters and investigators based in Boston. The first book in that series, EDGE OF SIGHT, will be released from Grand Central Publishing in November, 2010, with two more scheduled in 2011. In addition to the RITA, her books have won the National Reader’s Choice Award, the Daphne Du Maurier Award, the Maggie Award, the Booksellers Best, the Book Buyers Best, The HOLT Medallion, multiple Awards of Excellence, and Borders “Top Pick” for Romance in 2007.
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Good morning, Rocki! I needed something to wake me up this AM and you managed to do it with . . . *sigh* Sawyer. YUM! I’ll take that bad boy over Jack any day–just for fun, not stability–but then Jack has been a tad unstable recently.
by Margaret A. Golla March 10th, 2009 at 5:55 amI LOVE Lost–can’t you tell?! and you have really picked it apart in a nutshell! Good job! I just hope they plan the ending to technically wrap it up–I would hate for it to end up like the Twin Peaks debaucle, but I’m sure J.J. has it under control. I totally agree with you that he is a genius!
Oh, Margaret, I knew you’d be a Lostie. I admit I’ve had my Jack moments, and I really think he’s back on the road to redemption after some real dips in the Valley of the Villain. Sawyer is just irrefreakinsistible. He. Just. Is. I have faith they will wrap this show with a satisfactory ending, and much of what’s happened this season has gone a long way to answering questions. (We finally know how the Frendh lady got there! Yay. I’m sticking around just to see Ben get what Ben deserves. If you’re an addict, you might try visiting the http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com Lost forums. I really enjoy them in lieu of a water cooler and office mates.
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 9:05 amNever watched it. I do watch Monk and Desperate Housewives. Not sure they’ve taught me anything, or maybe they have and I’ve just absorbed it without realizing it. I also like Survivor, Dancing with the Stars, Celebrity Apprentice and American Idol. Now there’s a twist — a top 13. Ha!
I will take these general lessons to heart even though I can relate them to the specifics. I may have some revising in my future.
by Marilyn March 10th, 2009 at 6:45 amSee, Housewives lost me in about one season. I just couldn’t get into it, despite it being so up my entertainment alley. Maybe it was the night it was on or something. I do like all of those actresses, however, and the premise is still cool,
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 9:07 amUh… that should be I CAN’T relate them to the specifics.
by Marilyn March 10th, 2009 at 7:00 amI don’t watch Lost because, well, I’m afraid I’d get lost, but these tips are AWESOME!
by Kristen March 10th, 2009 at 7:15 amI watched “Lost” in that first season. Looooved it. But then it was if the writers hadn’t quite figured out what was in the jungle. Remember when they found the pilot alive and he got ripped out of the cockpit and thrown into a tree by some unknown entity? No? Seems the writers didn’t remember that either. They never explained it. They “lost” me then. There are so many wonderful elements as you’ve pointed out Roxanne, I do go back now and again to check out Sawy … err, the story. Yeah, I watch to see the story. Because whether I can follow it or not, it is compelling for all the reasons you listed.
by Nina Pierce March 10th, 2009 at 7:38 amNina, they actually did explain some of that, but so often the reveal is in so many bits and pieces that it’s hard to put it all together. I think the writers took a lot of heat in the first few seasons for just one cliffhanger too many, and they’ve addressed that. But not completely. The show is still chock full of story questions.
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 9:08 amHello, I was fascinated with Lost for a while. My hubby got lost in the ups and downs so I had to chose another story to watch. I agree with you that Sawyer is the best. I could look at him all day long and never get tired of him.
I’m not into watching TV right now. I have been taking my time through my to read pile. I have found better characters and life lessons in them.
That comes to my next point, the best invention ever. I’d say pen and paper. How else would we have the authors we have today. How would we have some of the most beautiful words ever written if we didn’t have pen and paper. I guess you would also have to say the authors imagination to write the stories. They are all three connected without them where would we be today. LOST. lol
Have a great day.
by Roberta Harwell March 10th, 2009 at 7:39 amGood suggestion that pen and paper! We’d still be telling stories with blood on the cave walls, LOL!
I lost my husband to Lost after season one, as well. He would watch it and, gasp, MAKE FUN of everything. Then I started recording it and waiting until kids and hub were off to bed, getting myself a little glass of wine, and watching all by myself. Rewinding at will, depending on the amount of shirt/wet on Sawyer’s chest.
Now my solo Lost Night is one of my favorite treats – no ridicule, no interruptions.
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 9:11 amGreat tips, Rocki. I keep hearing about people watching Lost. I’ve yet to succumb.
I loved the sitcom Frasier for much of the same reasons you mentioned with Lost. Different type of show for sure, but I recently watched the entire series on DVD and was very impressed with the consistency of the writing, acting and characterization.
There was very little inconsistency. Gilmore Girls on the other hand, had a lot of inconsistency and overused and/or shared character traits. Every single character said, “I don’t want to talk about it,” when they were mad or upset.
Frasier did an amazing job with character arc and development. Frasier was the Boston pub guy who hung out at Cheers in the beginning but a Seattle elitist by the end.
The dialog was always spot on and funny.
The pacing was perfect and over time the show’s creators interjected plot ploys that worked – back flashes, or a bit of parody.
Really good show.
So, maybe I’ll have to get a bit “Lost” this year.
Thanks for sharing your insights.
Rachel
by RHauck March 10th, 2009 at 7:41 amRocky, Great post! You have a way of taking something complex and making it simple. My guess is that you chose the microwave as number one gadget…
by Judy March 10th, 2009 at 7:49 amGlad you liked the post, Judy. The microwave, huh? I sure used the heck out of it when I had to warm baby bottles in the middle of the night! Good suggestion!
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 9:12 amI couldn’t get into LOST. I don’t think I’ve ever watched one episode!
Your favorite invention… Would it be the microwave?
by ArkansasCyndi March 10th, 2009 at 7:53 amAnother vote for the microwave! Hmmm. Could it be you guys think I can’t cook???? Why would you think that?
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 9:13 amRocki – you’re exactly right about lessons learned watching tv shows.
I’m plotting a romantic suspense and started catching up on seasons of 24. Exactly the same lessons – characterizations, plot twists, backstories, pacing. And a lot of what NOT to do too, which I think can be equally valuable lessons for a writer.
by Jaci Burton March 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am24 is another FANTASTIC show for studying storytelling – I agree! I watched it for two seasons, but my TV time is so limited and I usually stick with those shows that really appeal to an 11 year old, so we’re big on Idol and So You Think You Can Dance.
I also watch Biggest Loser RELIGIOUSLY and I will happily do another blog on the lessons I’ve learned from that show – they have quite honestly changed my life.
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 9:14 amHey, Rocki! I watched lost for the first three seasons then lost (sorry, couldn’t resist) it. It got to be too much. Then some channel started running a marathon on Monday nights, starting from season one. Hooked again! And, since the shows were running one after the other, I didn’t get lost watching Lost.
by Marian Griffin March 10th, 2009 at 8:42 amRemarkable tips on storytelling. I didn’t see it as I watched the show, but I do now. Thanks again for some very savvy insight.
I’ll make a Lostie out of you, Marian!
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 9:15 amSome of the best advice I’ve seen on writing in a long time.
My favorite show right now is Lie to Me… I even blogged about it and how lying is a fantastic plot device.
Great article!!! I’ve saved this.
by April Morelock March 10th, 2009 at 8:54 amApril, you’re the second person to mention Lie To Me to me – too late to get into it? I use lying as a story device so often that I actually have to make a concerted effort NOT to incorporate it in books. What’s wonderful about having a character who is lying is that the reader is in, but the other character isn’t and so muc tension can be built from the “when is she/he going to find out.” Some of my LIE books: TAKE ME TONIGHT, FIRST YOU RUN and KILLER CURVES (although in that one both the h & h are lying to another character).
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 9:18 amAs usual, Rocki, you are brilliant.
I adore Lost, I’ve watched every show since the first one debuted and I also agree that JJ Abrams is a genius.
The reason I’ve faithfully watched Lost all along is for all the succinct reasons you stated above in your amazing 10 points of simple to understand storytelling reason.
(And DVR is also the best device ever invented- Who needs sliced bread when you can zip past commercials to watch favorite shows in less time?)
Good job!
by Lara Santiago March 10th, 2009 at 9:18 amL
Not brilliant, not by a stretch. But love to find others who are Lost like me. I think this season has been AMAZING so far. One of the things that I didn’t include in my list, but should have, is how smoothly they introduce new characters, this late in the game, and make you care. Sometimes someone comes on and you just have to wonder…is this person going to change everything? (Like Daniel did, who seemed like an innocuous nerd when he first arrived on scene.)
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 10:52 amExcellent post, Rocki. I LOVE that pic.
I ‘ve been a huge fan of lost…up until this season. My husband can’t get into it any longer, so now I tape it. I haven’t watched the last two episodes, though. Need to catch up.
Worst Week is another show I’ve watched lately. I was introduced to it while my daughter lived with us. It’s on Monday nights. I think. It’s about a bumbling husband who tries to do everything right but screws up big time. The show is a great example of how you can always MAKE THINGS WORSE, even when it comes to little things. I love to watch just to see what the writers come up with.
Laurie
by Laurie March 10th, 2009 at 9:25 amTape it and watch it alone – I highly recommend this techngique. It beats answering questions (I can’t, anyway) and deflecting criticism! Never heard of Worst Week – will have to check it out. Making things worse is a major storytelling element. Thanks, Laurie.
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 10:53 amI have a few character driven shows I like to watch. Rescue Me (where the hell is the next season?) Dexter and Saving Grace to name a few.
by Karin Tabke March 10th, 2009 at 9:43 amKarin – I hear you on Dexter. A group of homicide cops who have been wonderful writing sources told us about the show. We’ve done the 1st two seasons via Netflix. It’s a wonderful lesson in making unlikeable characters likeable.
Never could get into Lost — watched 3/4 of one episode, and gave up. I don’t think I’ve been in ‘drop everything, watch this show’ mode since MacGyver, Magnum PI, and maybe Simon & Simon. (OK, revealing my age and not too proud to admit to watching ‘hunk of the week’ shows)
by Terry Odell March 10th, 2009 at 12:03 pmHubby is a Lost fan. I stop and watch if Sawyer has his shirt off, but that’s about as deep into it as I get
by Ember March 10th, 2009 at 12:38 pmYou ARE brilliant! I love Lost. And I hate that it’s not on this week. As for Jack or Sawyer? Sawyer has it all over Jack, IMO. I have a frequent desire to smack Jack. Well, I want to smack Sawyer, too, but not in the same way. *g*
by Tori Lennox March 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pmI’m not so brilliant because I fell for Jack at first.
Then I saw the light. But every once in a while, Jack gets me. He’s really my “type” and that’s why I naturally loved him from the beginning. But Sawyer. Oh, Sawyer. You know when he did me in? When he had his way with Ana Lucia. I was nothing but a pool of warm water on the sofa when that was over.
Let’s *all* smack Sawyer.
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pmIt took me awhile to realize how deep the writing was on Star Trek. To write about something really controversial but tell it in a way that not every gets it was amazing. To show the stupidity of racism with aliens half black and half white was writing at its best.
I love what J.J. Abrams did with Alias too. Just when you had it figured out who was good and who was bad, he flipped it on its side and nothing was what it seemed.
by Amanda March 10th, 2009 at 1:19 pmYou are so right about Star Trek! I didn’t watch enough Alias, although I liked what I saw. JJ is amazing.
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pmI suppose I need to watch Lost. Everyone who knows me probably gets sick of this little piece of trivia, but my hubby was an extra on season 2. And yet I’ve never watched the show. He’s only watched the portion of the episode he’s in (blink and you miss him). But I keep saying that one of these days, darn it, we need to watch it.
I never got into 24, but the show I thought was fabulous for storytelling (and would still watch if it was on) was Firefly. Oh my, Nathan Fillion. Oh my. And now he’s in that show that debuted last night, Castle, where he’s a best selling mystery writer. His glamorous lifestyle was a bit funny, but he’s worth looking at (don’t know about the story telling — too early to tell).
I also liked Life the first season it was on. I have the 2nd on the DVR, but haven’t watched it yet. Battlestar Galactica is another one with great storytelling.
Cool topic, Rocki!
by Lynn Raye Harris March 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmHe was an extra??? A Red Shirt? Did he die? That is a very excellent piece of trivia, Ms. Lynn. Thanks for sharing.
I didn’t know Castle was about a mystery writer – will definitely dvr that one!
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pmPS. I meant “did his character die on the show” — not did your husband die. Unless, of course, he touched Josh Holloway. That could kill anyone.
by Roxanne St. Claire March 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pmI don’t watch Lost, too many baseball and sports practices for my kids and no Tivo.
I’m guessing the best invention is the internet – that would be one of my faves!
by cherylk March 10th, 2009 at 6:36 pmI hear you on baseball, Cheryl. My son’s team lost last Friday and his coach kept him for a FOUR AND A HALF hour practice on Monday. Argh. As for the internet, I can’t imagine writing a book without access to it!
Winner below….
by Roxanne St. Claire March 11th, 2009 at 4:41 amNothing that exciting, Rocki! He was a military guard and he was guarding the Naveen Andrews character in the Iraqi prison flashbacks. The episode is One of Them. He tells interesting stories about the day – the endless shooting, the calls to the set, etc, and yet almost all those shots he was in ended up on the cutting room floor. He did get to chat with Naveen, who he said was very down to earth and cool to talk to. All I kept thinking about was The English Patient and Naveen’s character there. *sigh*
by Lynn Raye Harris March 10th, 2009 at 7:42 pmHey, Rocki, I’ve had the day from hades so I hope I’m not too late to comment. The TV show I’ve watched lately that had both strong story-telling AND characters is Leverage. The writers have wonderful hooks, the backstory is slowly coming out and the characters are growing in their relationships.
Best invention? As far as I’m concerned, its the coffeemaker. Considering how much I drink in a day, I’d be lost without mine! LOL
by Silver James March 10th, 2009 at 8:38 pmI’ve never heard of Leverage, Silver. What’s the story about? LOL on the coffeemaker – especially the pre-set button. I make it the night before and it’s all hot and ready when I roll out of bed! No need to wait!
by Roxanne St. Claire March 11th, 2009 at 4:42 amRocki, it’s on hiatus at the moment, TNT. Leverage (link goes to TNT’s site about the show) is about a former insurance loss recovery specialist who lost his son because his company wouldn’t pay for the medical procedures needed to save the boy’s life. He’s put together a team of criminals and they “leverage” the bad guys the law can’t touch. The characters are fascinating, each with a backstory worthy of their own show, and the whole bad guys doing good and redeeming themselves is an age-old prop done excellently here. You can catch the show online while new episodes are being filmed.
And I take my coffee intraveneously!
by Silver James March 11th, 2009 at 5:52 amOkay, I must be losing my mind, Rocki. (Which isn’t hard these days…lol) I swear I answered this last night, but comment never showed up. Leverage is on TNT and you can catch up on episodes online while waiting for the new season. It’s about an insurance recovery specialist whose son died because the insurance company would pay for his treatment. He’s put together a team of criminals to take on the corporate bad guys that are untouchable – he “leverages” them. The backstories are slowly coming out and it’s a fascinating character study, not to mention the whole pay back and bad guys in white hats taking on the really bad guys.
And if this is a repeat, just shoot me, ‘kay? Because my mind really will be missing.
by Silver James March 11th, 2009 at 6:38 pmI’ve become a regular viewer of Lost beginning with this season, and although I was a semi-regular, I was able to follow everything you said. It’s sort of a modern day soap opera. I used to watch General Hospital way, way, way back when (Jessie and Dr. Hardy–oh yes, that old) and even if I tune in from time to time, I can still follow it.
Similar shows that have me hooked are Heroes and Battlestar Galactica. Would Amazing Race and Survivor qualify? Hooked on them too.
by kmg March 10th, 2009 at 9:28 pmMy all time favority soap opera was Knot’s Landing. I was ADDICTED! Every once in a while, I’ll catch an old episode on some country music TV station when I’m channel surfing and STILL I am hooked. There was something about Abby Ewing I couldn’t resist. I liked Dallas, too, but Knot’s was my absolute Guilty Pleasure of all time. I guess because it was pre-tivo and Dallas was on Friday nights, right? I had dates!!! But Thursday, I was home to watch.
I never got hooked on daytime TV but my grandmother watched Guiding Light (she lived with us) and my sister stayed with it for about 20 more years!
I’ve heard raves about Heroes, but haven’t succombed yet.
by Roxanne St. Claire March 11th, 2009 at 4:45 amlove monk and law and order suv
would love to write mystieries or romanctic thrillers wehn i wathc these shows
no i love in plain sight with the strong herione with vulnerablity
by k March 10th, 2009 at 10:25 pmNothing like a strong AND vulnerable heroine – very hard to write, but when an author nails it, they are the best!
by Roxanne St. Claire March 11th, 2009 at 4:46 amAND THE WINNER IS….
The reason I mentioned “best invention” is because when we got our dvr, and all the benefits of it (fast forwarding, rewinding when you’re watching real time, never missing a football game, etc) my husband pronounced it “the third best invention of mankind, after beer and air conditioning.” For some reason, that cracked me up (he’s not a big beer drinker, but we live in Florida, so AC is important) and we always refer to it as the “third best invention .”
Obviously, there’s no right answer, so I’m going to pick as a winner the very first commenter to take me up on the offer and suggest an invention. That would be ROBERTA HARWELL who said “pen and paper.” Simple and TRUE!
Roberta, please email me at roxannestc@cfl.rr.com with your mailing address and I’ll get you a copy of FRENCH TWIST! Congrats and I hope you love it!
by Roxanne St. Claire March 11th, 2009 at 4:52 amlol wtg winner
by k March 11th, 2009 at 9:53 pm