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		<title>By: Natalie</title>
		<link>http://www.murdershewrites.com/2008/11/05/watershed-moments/#comment-224452</link>
		<dc:creator>Natalie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 01:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember pay phones and Watergate, too, Toni. 

Great blog, even though it reminded me how damn old I am....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember pay phones and Watergate, too, Toni. </p>
<p>Great blog, even though it reminded me how damn old I am&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Apodaca</title>
		<link>http://www.murdershewrites.com/2008/11/05/watershed-moments/#comment-224449</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Apodaca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 21:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting topic, Toni! Outdated technology doesn&#039;t bother me, and some of my stuff in my mystery series is already a tad outdated. I love futurist gadgets done right like in the JD Robb books too. 

Reading is fun--sometimes I&#039;m reading something historical and thinking how would I survive without indoor plumbing (or maybe cell phones if it&#039;s more recent). Sometimes I&#039;m reading futuristic and wondering if they&#039;ll cure the common cold in the future. 

I&#039;m sure my comment is just as braindead as I am. I&#039;m desperately trying to save, uh I mean, finish the first draft of me book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting topic, Toni! Outdated technology doesn&#8217;t bother me, and some of my stuff in my mystery series is already a tad outdated. I love futurist gadgets done right like in the JD Robb books too. </p>
<p>Reading is fun&#8211;sometimes I&#8217;m reading something historical and thinking how would I survive without indoor plumbing (or maybe cell phones if it&#8217;s more recent). Sometimes I&#8217;m reading futuristic and wondering if they&#8217;ll cure the common cold in the future. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure my comment is just as braindead as I am. I&#8217;m desperately trying to save, uh I mean, finish the first draft of me book.</p>
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		<title>By: toni mcgee causey</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni mcgee causey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 20:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Allison, I had forgotten those Judy Blume ones--LOL. Thanks. 

And you know, I think you&#039;re pointing out a very important distinction that I hadn&#039;t really thought of, and maybe that&#039;s because I had a lot of my writing years sort of co-opted by the very southern literary leanings of the MFA... where if you even thought about writing something &quot;commercial&quot; you were pretty much ignored. And I knew that and did it anyway... but I don&#039;t think I realized until you&#039;d made that distinction just how much the concerns over timelessness vs. immediate commercial impact that they had on my process of thinking. (Of course, taking philosophy was probably the worst thing I could have done on top of that. Hours and hours of discussing the &quot;thingness of the thing&quot; and I am not kidding.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Allison, I had forgotten those Judy Blume ones&#8211;LOL. Thanks. </p>
<p>And you know, I think you&#8217;re pointing out a very important distinction that I hadn&#8217;t really thought of, and maybe that&#8217;s because I had a lot of my writing years sort of co-opted by the very southern literary leanings of the MFA&#8230; where if you even thought about writing something &#8220;commercial&#8221; you were pretty much ignored. And I knew that and did it anyway&#8230; but I don&#8217;t think I realized until you&#8217;d made that distinction just how much the concerns over timelessness vs. immediate commercial impact that they had on my process of thinking. (Of course, taking philosophy was probably the worst thing I could have done on top of that. Hours and hours of discussing the &#8220;thingness of the thing&#8221; and I am not kidding.)</p>
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		<title>By: toni mcgee causey</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni mcgee causey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:58:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, Rocki, that&#039;s funny! Yeah, I don&#039;t mind the technology issues as much (and really, meant to focus more on the cultural ones but the computer crashed after I&#039;d written the blog but before I saved it--so had to rewrite! eeek! talk about your cultural references... one day I hope that one will be obsolete ;)

I made a cultural reference in the current novel about a current &quot;star&quot; but that reference has been bothering me for the exact same reason you&#039;re mentioning the TROY one. I doubt even a year from now when the book is out that it&#039;ll be relevant, so I&#039;ll go change it. I&#039;m glad you mentioned that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, Rocki, that&#8217;s funny! Yeah, I don&#8217;t mind the technology issues as much (and really, meant to focus more on the cultural ones but the computer crashed after I&#8217;d written the blog but before I saved it&#8211;so had to rewrite! eeek! talk about your cultural references&#8230; one day I hope that one will be obsolete <img src='http://www.murdershewrites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I made a cultural reference in the current novel about a current &#8220;star&#8221; but that reference has been bothering me for the exact same reason you&#8217;re mentioning the TROY one. I doubt even a year from now when the book is out that it&#8217;ll be relevant, so I&#8217;ll go change it. I&#8217;m glad you mentioned that.</p>
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		<title>By: toni mcgee causey</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni mcgee causey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amanda, I was seven, and thank you for that reminder--that was phenomenal, wasn&#039;t it? A world of possibilities.

And yeah, this election is truly amazing on several fronts, but mostly I keep looking over at other foreign countries where people can&#039;t go to the polls without worry about being bombed or shot [if they even have elections] and yet, we can change our entire government by going to the polls, and no bloodshed. It may not always be harmonious leading up to it, and sometimes afterward, but for the most part, we agree to respect the democratic principles that founded this country, and we do it by freely going to the polls and freely casting a vote. That&#039;s pretty impressive, that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amanda, I was seven, and thank you for that reminder&#8211;that was phenomenal, wasn&#8217;t it? A world of possibilities.</p>
<p>And yeah, this election is truly amazing on several fronts, but mostly I keep looking over at other foreign countries where people can&#8217;t go to the polls without worry about being bombed or shot [if they even have elections] and yet, we can change our entire government by going to the polls, and no bloodshed. It may not always be harmonious leading up to it, and sometimes afterward, but for the most part, we agree to respect the democratic principles that founded this country, and we do it by freely going to the polls and freely casting a vote. That&#8217;s pretty impressive, that.</p>
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		<title>By: toni mcgee causey</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni mcgee causey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Karin, LOL on those bulky cellphones. Wow, I remember having one of those and thinking it was soooo sleek because it wasn&#039;t a CB radio in the car. And yeah, that Berlin wall is a great example--such a huge change for the world that heralding a completely new world-view, and I think we all felt like it would take generations to wrap our minds around the implications. Then everything afterward moved so quickly, and for the next generation coming up, it was like, &quot;what wall?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Karin, LOL on those bulky cellphones. Wow, I remember having one of those and thinking it was soooo sleek because it wasn&#8217;t a CB radio in the car. And yeah, that Berlin wall is a great example&#8211;such a huge change for the world that heralding a completely new world-view, and I think we all felt like it would take generations to wrap our minds around the implications. Then everything afterward moved so quickly, and for the next generation coming up, it was like, &#8220;what wall?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: toni mcgee causey</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni mcgee causey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly, thanks. ;) And actually I was thinking of both of those writers--particularly Sue Grafton--when I was wrapping up this blog. Sue had mentioned once in an interview that the time frame for her characters was progressing much slower than the time it took to write / get the books published. I don&#039;t think it hindered her much in the beginning, but when a lot of technology blossomed, she started having to figure out ways to keep the books true to their original time-line without seeming dated at the same time. I&#039;ll have to be careful in the same way with the Bobbie Faye series, unless I jump forward, time-wise. Right now, the time-span of all three books is about a six month period, but they will have been published in three consecutive years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly, thanks. <img src='http://www.murdershewrites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  And actually I was thinking of both of those writers&#8211;particularly Sue Grafton&#8211;when I was wrapping up this blog. Sue had mentioned once in an interview that the time frame for her characters was progressing much slower than the time it took to write / get the books published. I don&#8217;t think it hindered her much in the beginning, but when a lot of technology blossomed, she started having to figure out ways to keep the books true to their original time-line without seeming dated at the same time. I&#8217;ll have to be careful in the same way with the Bobbie Faye series, unless I jump forward, time-wise. Right now, the time-span of all three books is about a six month period, but they will have been published in three consecutive years.</p>
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		<title>By: toni mcgee causey</title>
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		<dc:creator>toni mcgee causey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Terry - yeah, I was thinking about a script I wrote pre-9/11 and due to the radical changes in procedures for bringing goods into a port, that whole story would have to be reworked to have any believability. It&#039;s almost like having written something pre-electricity. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Terry &#8211; yeah, I was thinking about a script I wrote pre-9/11 and due to the radical changes in procedures for bringing goods into a port, that whole story would have to be reworked to have any believability. It&#8217;s almost like having written something pre-electricity. <img src='http://www.murdershewrites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: allison brennan</title>
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		<dc:creator>allison brennan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 19:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think most readers understand that books have a shelf-life. Great books, even when they reference old technology, are still great books. Without references to cell phones or computers or wireless modems, we lose so much in the telling of THIS STORY. I suppose if I was writing something epic I&#039;d want it to be timeless, but I&#039;m writing commercial fiction and know that the bulk of my readers will be reading the book within a year or two of publication.

But cultural references don&#039;t bother me if I know the book is set in a specific time (i.e. 1985.) Stephen King writes with a LOT of cultural references (take THE STAND, which he also updated when it was reissued as uncut, and it&#039;s still &quot;outdated&quot; though I think it&#039;s timeless and a slice of history.) 

I was a huge fan of Trixie Belden, which were written years before I was born, but there were new books coming out as well. I remember that Brian&#039;s car was a &quot;jalopy.&quot; I happened to have known what it was, but only because I was well read even at 8! (I may have also asked my mom.) I still loved the books. My daughters? Not so much.

Judy Blume as well wrote for girls like me in the 70s and 80s, but even one of her books--I think ARE YOU THERE GOD? IT&#039;S ME, MARGARET was outdated when I read it. The heroine started her period and had a belt for the pad. I had NO idea what that was, and my mom had to explain it to me (though I did understand from the context of the story, I just thought it was weird.) But the story itself was still relevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think most readers understand that books have a shelf-life. Great books, even when they reference old technology, are still great books. Without references to cell phones or computers or wireless modems, we lose so much in the telling of THIS STORY. I suppose if I was writing something epic I&#8217;d want it to be timeless, but I&#8217;m writing commercial fiction and know that the bulk of my readers will be reading the book within a year or two of publication.</p>
<p>But cultural references don&#8217;t bother me if I know the book is set in a specific time (i.e. 1985.) Stephen King writes with a LOT of cultural references (take THE STAND, which he also updated when it was reissued as uncut, and it&#8217;s still &#8220;outdated&#8221; though I think it&#8217;s timeless and a slice of history.) </p>
<p>I was a huge fan of Trixie Belden, which were written years before I was born, but there were new books coming out as well. I remember that Brian&#8217;s car was a &#8220;jalopy.&#8221; I happened to have known what it was, but only because I was well read even at 8! (I may have also asked my mom.) I still loved the books. My daughters? Not so much.</p>
<p>Judy Blume as well wrote for girls like me in the 70s and 80s, but even one of her books&#8211;I think ARE YOU THERE GOD? IT&#8217;S ME, MARGARET was outdated when I read it. The heroine started her period and had a belt for the pad. I had NO idea what that was, and my mom had to explain it to me (though I did understand from the context of the story, I just thought it was weird.) But the story itself was still relevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Roxanne St. Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator>Roxanne St. Claire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Toni - agree on the watershedness  :lol: of what has just happened in our country.  As far as the references in the books, it&#039;s *really* hard to avoid them where technology is concerned -- and cell phones, GPS, etc. have really changed the face of romantic suspense in the past five - ten years.  I have really had to mess around with plots if I want a scene where a character *doesn&#039;t* have a cell phone. 

I had one book (chick lit-ish) with a ton of technology references (all emails) and the funny thing is, four years later, none of that is outdated.  What&#039;s outdated in  the book are references to Brad Pitt and his movies (I thought I was being so forward thinking in talking about TROY, because he was only *making* it when I wrote that).  Also I referenced a TV show that just seems sooooo outdated now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Toni &#8211; agree on the watershedness  <img src='http://www.murdershewrites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  of what has just happened in our country.  As far as the references in the books, it&#8217;s *really* hard to avoid them where technology is concerned &#8212; and cell phones, GPS, etc. have really changed the face of romantic suspense in the past five &#8211; ten years.  I have really had to mess around with plots if I want a scene where a character *doesn&#8217;t* have a cell phone. </p>
<p>I had one book (chick lit-ish) with a ton of technology references (all emails) and the funny thing is, four years later, none of that is outdated.  What&#8217;s outdated in  the book are references to Brad Pitt and his movies (I thought I was being so forward thinking in talking about TROY, because he was only *making* it when I wrote that).  Also I referenced a TV show that just seems sooooo outdated now.</p>
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